Isolated or the start of something dreadful? Group claims it ends the peace deal they signed 21 years ago.

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-1...bican-police-station

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-1...-peace-in-mozambique

First! lol

Well this won't be good!

Damn shame.

Africa will never survive the African's within. I spent 21 days in CAR last year. I left there with mixed feeling; feelings of love for an absolutely incredible diverse ecology, yet an almost insanely dangerous place to call an International Sport Hunting destination.

Where I hunted; Kocho, Chinko, Mbari would all qualify as "Garden of Eden's" without the indigenous peoples.

The once plentiful Forest Elephants are nearly gone to the Sudanese AK's. The same Sudanese with their cattle. The typical snares, my Bongo had a wire.

Joseph Kony and his LRA hiding in the bush...who knows where.

The constant civil wars brewing in that boiling cauldron of excrement, Bangui.

What is it about Africa that seemingly breeds continued and constant discontent? I have also noticed that the African countries along the Equator tend to more volatile. (CAR, Chad, Congo, Uganda and Somalia)

Now Mozambique?

What is the greatest threat to continued Sport Hunting in Africa?

Voluntary ending of Sport Hunting (Botswana, Kenya, Zambia)

Civil unrest?

Anti-hunting efforts?

I want to get my elephant next year (on top of all my plainsgame and buff) and then focus on the rest of the world

The situation in Mozambique although tense in a localized area is not at all comparable to CAR.
If you are attentive to the news of the " attack"" of Renamo base and today' s " attact" , you will notice that there are no casualties !

Renamo president is in the Gorongosa area for more than one year and only recently we have seen a few problems because elections for the local provinces are to be held in November.

The situation is till this moment only in Gorongosa area and there is absolutely no problems whatsoever in any other parts of Mozambique.

Of course one should monitorize the upcoming weeks but i believe some kind of agreement will be done to stop this small civil unrest that is jeopardizing Mozambique external image and not benefiting at all this wonderful country and its people.

I am 100% sure , because i know that country , that Mozambique will not come into any kind of civil war again.

And I am 100% sure that the only thing for sure when dealing with Africa is that nothing is 100% sure.

surestrike -

Agreed, 100%! Africans are their own worst enemy.

Too many tribes and languages.
Reminds me history lesson from Europe just 1000 years ago.
Americas only hundred and fifty years ago.
Now Africa needs few more hundred years for sure.
Colonization only postponed things for a bit.
They will be fighting for long time.

Africa needs a good plague to reset the balance of nature.

That would have been AIDS if we didn't stick our noses into it...

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
Too many tribes and languages.
Reminds me history lesson from Europe just 1000 years ago.
Americas only hundred and fifty years ago.
Now Africa needs few more hundred years for sure.
Colonization only postponed things for a bit.
They will be fighting for long time.

Boarkiller,
You got that right. European history is not that different. Tribalism was rampant in Europe till really WW's 1&2. Many of the European countries (tribes) share commonality of histories and descendants. (British-Germanic interchangeability from a historic perspective)

I think Africa needs bout 500 years of tranquility before they can see and understand what incredible natural resources they have and are squandering.

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Originally posted by Nganga:

I think Africa needs bout 500 years of tranquility before they can see and understand what incredible natural resources they have and are squandering.

The Chinese will have all those resources long before that.

quote:

Originally posted by Leopardtrack:
Africa needs a good plague to reset the balance of nature. That would have been AIDS if we didn't stick our noses into it...

Inhumanity is the benchmark of stupidity and your cavalier post pegs you as an expert in that regard. You are grossly undeserving of the pleasures that are Africa.

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Originally posted by KPete:

quote:

Originally posted by Leopardtrack:
Africa needs a good plague to reset the balance of nature. That would have been AIDS if we didn't stick our noses into it...

Inhumanity is the benchmark of stupidity and your cavalier post pegs you as an expert in that regard. You are grossly undeserving of the pleasures that are Africa.

Hi Kim,

While leopardtarck's words may be clumsy, I think I understand the gist.

If Africa were still subject to the horrible plagues that it has seen for thousands of years, the main problem that persist, overpopulation would not be what it is today.

Western intervention has cured or lessened many African indigenous problems. Inadvertently, we have created others.

Steve

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Originally posted by Leopardtrack:
Africa needs a good plague to reset the balance of nature.

That would have been AIDS if we didn't stick our noses into it...

Tell that to the natives of Namibia where the incidence of AIDS in adults is 13.4 % according to UNICEF. That means roughly 1 of 7 adults is dying of AIDS.

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Originally posted by Bud Meadows:

quote:

Originally posted by Leopardtrack:
Africa needs a good plague to reset the balance of nature.

That would have been AIDS if we didn't stick our noses into it...

Tell that to the natives of Namibia where the incidence of AIDS in adults is 13.4 % according to UNICEF. That means roughly 1 of 7 adults is dying of AIDS.

I believe Botswana's AIDS/HIV rate is in the high 20's. It's bad in any event.

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Originally posted by Nganga:

quote:

Originally posted by KPete:

quote:

Originally posted by Leopardtrack:
Africa needs a good plague to reset the balance of nature. That would have been AIDS if we didn't stick our noses into it...

Inhumanity is the benchmark of stupidity and your cavalier post pegs you as an expert in that regard. You are grossly undeserving of the pleasures that are Africa.

Hi Kim,

While leopardtarck's words may be clumsy, I think I understand the gist.

If Africa were still subject to the horrible plagues that it has seen for thousands of years, the main problem that persist, overpopulation would not be what it is today.

Western intervention has cured or lessened many African indigenous problems. Inadvertently, we have created others.

Steve

No Steve. You are far too intelligent to believe that.

The gist of Leopardtrack's post was bestial indifference to less fortunate humans at best; at worst, unvarnished bigotry. To characterize the saving of hundreds of thousands of AIDs stricken African men, women, and children as creating an "indigenous problem" for Africa is both heartless and cruel. African friends of mine have been saved from Leopardtrack's "good plague" through such intervention, and I'm sure friends of yours, too.

Beware the reflexive instinct to support your friends' rants, Steve, especially when they are so patently evil.

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Originally posted by KPete:

quote:

Originally posted by Nganga:

quote:

Originally posted by KPete:

quote:

Originally posted by Leopardtrack:
Africa needs a good plague to reset the balance of nature. That would have been AIDS if we didn't stick our noses into it...

Inhumanity is the benchmark of stupidity and your cavalier post pegs you as an expert in that regard. You are grossly undeserving of the pleasures that are Africa.

Hi Kim,

While leopardtarck's words may be clumsy, I think I understand the gist.

If Africa were still subject to the horrible plagues that it has seen for thousands of years, the main problem that persist, overpopulation would not be what it is today.

Western intervention has cured or lessened many African indigenous problems. Inadvertently, we have created others.

Steve

No Steve. You are far too intelligent to believe that.

The gist of Leopardtrack's post was bestial indifference to less fortunate humans at best; at worst, unvarnished bigotry. To characterize the saving of hundreds of thousands of AIDs stricken African men, women, and children as creating an "indigenous problem" for Africa is both heartless and cruel. African friends of mine have been saved from Leopardtrack's "good plague" through such intervention, and I'm sure friends of yours, too.

Beware the reflexive instinct to support your friends' rants, Steve, especially when they are so patently evil.

Kim, honestly, I thought his intent was as I defined. Africa is unable to deal with the overpopulation.

I think any answers to the multitudes of Africa's societal issues are far to complex for us to resolve here on AR. (at least tonight )

Regards,

Steve

Kim, honestly, I thought his intent was as I defined. Africa is unable to deal with the overpopulation.

Regards,

Steve[/QUOTE]

Hello Steve,

Yes, my intent/thoughts were as you initially believed it/them to be. I should have chosen my words with more care as to not offend any of our morally superior AR members.

For my Penance I am going to say 10 Our Fathers, 10 Hail Mary's, then hold hands with a homeless person on 42nd St and Lexington Ave while singing "Kumbaya".

forget the Kumbaya and have a glass of the irish--

The trouble with Africa is that it's wasted on the Africans or more accurately, the African politicians.

The facts are that whilst the continent has endless mineral wealth, a huge & very cheap workforce & large areas where a spanner would grow if planted the right way up & yet it's full of crime, corruption, civil unrest & so poor it has to have endless foreign aid poured into it from the west & still the politicians (etc) enrich themselves by theft whilst people die like flies of starvation & easily preventable diseases.

(Some) Individual countries have had a similar timespan as the USA has had to stabalise & establish economies, industries & democracy & yet whilst the USA has managed to put men on the moon, landing craft on Mars, launch successful deep space probes & establish a bench mark economy the Africans have barely mastered the wheel.

Getting back to the original topic, RENAMO who incidentally were a very nasty bunch of bastards in the old days have (as I understand it) been causing a bit of local trouble & expressing dissatisfaction for some months but as Indi says, most if not all is due to the coming elections & (IMO) major unrest, let alone a new civil war is (currently) unlikely.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24635338

23 October 2013 Last updated at 05:19 ET


Zimbabwe warns Mozambique's Renamo not to resume war

Zimbabwe has urged rebels in Mozambique not to fight, after an opposition group with military and political wings withdrew from a 1992 peace deal.

Zimbabwe's deputy foreign minister Christopher Mutsvangwa told the BBC that he would not countenance a return to civil war in Mozambique.

The Renamo movement, thought to have about 1,000 fighters as well as 51 MPs, ended the peace accord on Monday.

Mozambique's 1976-1992 civil war led to about one million deaths.

Mr Mutsvangwa said Renamo should rejoin the political process, not threaten regional stability.

He told the BBC's Focus on Africa radio programme that Renamo leader Afonso Dhlakama should "never, never" return to violence.

"Southern Africa will not countenance this. We simply do not need this in this region at this juncture," he said.

He added that regional body Sadc (Southern African Development Community) would consider sending troops to help the government if the security situation deteriorated.

"It will be misguided for Renamo to bring instability and expect Zimbabwe to watch," he said.



Renamo pulled out of the peace accord after government forces captured Mr Dhlakama's base in the Gorongosa mountains in central Mozambique on Monday, forcing him to flee.

Rebel fighters retaliated by opening fire on a police station in the town of Maringue, about 35km (20 miles) from the base, state-run Radio Mozambique reported.

The US has urged the two sides to "step back from the brink".

"We are encouraging the two parties to take visible and decisive steps to de-escalate the current tense environment," said US state department spokeswoman Marie Harf.

Mozambique's economy has been booming in recent years, with the discovery of a major off-shore gas field in 2011.

Mozambican mediator Lourenco do Rosario said he held talks with Renamo to ease tension.

He said Renamo leaders had told him they did not want to return to war.

Renamo was supported by South Africa's former white-minority regime during the civil war that raged after Mozambique's independence in 1975.

After Robert Mugabe came to power in Zimbabwe, he backed Mozambique's Frelimo government.

Renamo has contested elections since the end of the civil war, but has failed to dislodge Frelimo from power.

Renamo's 51 MPs have not withdrawn from parliament, despite its decision to pull out of the peace accord.

Mozambique is due to hold local elections in November, and presidential and parliamentary elections next year.

Renamo has complained that the Frelimo government is determined to hold on to power and has failed to create conditions for free and fair elections.

Frelimo denies the allegations and says Renamo does not have support among voters.

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:
forget the Kumbaya and have a glass of the irish--

Even a New York Dago like myself knows that it can only be Jamison!

Just like Detroit

quote:

Originally posted by shakari:
The trouble with Africa is that it's wasted on the Africans or more accurately, the African politicians.

The facts are that whilst the continent has endless mineral wealth, a huge & very cheap workforce & large areas where a spanner would grow if planted the right way up & yet it's full of crime, corruption, civil unrest & so poor it has to have endless foreign aid poured into it from the west & still the politicians (etc) enrich themselves by theft whilst people die like flies of starvation & easily preventable diseases.

(Some) Individual countries have had a similar timespan as the USA has had to stabalise & establish economies, industries & democracy & yet whilst the USA has managed to put men on the moon, landing craft on Mars, launch successful deep space probes & establish a bench mark economy the Africans have barely mastered the wheel.

Getting back to the original topic, RENAMO who incidentally were a very nasty bunch of bastards in the old days have (as I understand it) been causing a bit of local trouble & expressing dissatisfaction for some months but as Indi says, most if not all is due to the coming elections & (IMO) major unrest, let alone a new civil war is (currently) unlikely.

quote:

Originally posted by Leopardtrack:
Kim, honestly, I thought his intent was as I defined. Africa is unable to deal with the overpopulation.

Regards,

Steve

Hello Steve,

Yes, my intent/thoughts were as you initially believed it/them to be. I should have chosen my words with more care as to not offend any of our morally superior AR members.

For my Penance I am going to say 10 Our Fathers, 10 Hail Mary's, then hold hands with a homeless person on 42nd St and Lexington Ave while singing "Kumbaya".[/QUOTE]

WOW, what a class act there compadre. So; showing a little good will towards humanity classifies some of us as morally superior...

Hum, well you said it yourself, so may be some of us are! Seriously though, then we wonder why the rest of the world dislikes us.

Hey its all good, we're in America, run for office - you'll probably get elected.

Wild Bob,

I find your "Jap Guitar" reference offensive.

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Originally posted by RHK:

quote:

Originally posted by Leopardtrack:
Kim, honestly, I thought his intent was as I defined. Africa is unable to deal with the overpopulation.

Regards,

Steve

Hello Steve,

Yes, my intent/thoughts were as you initially believed it/them to be. I should have chosen my words with more care as to not offend any of our morally superior AR members.

For my Penance I am going to say 10 Our Fathers, 10 Hail Mary's, then hold hands with a homeless person on 42nd St and Lexington Ave while singing "Kumbaya".

WOW, what a class act there compadre. So; showing a little good will towards humanity classifies some of us as morally superior...

Hum, well you said it yourself, so may be some of us are! Seriously though, then we wonder why the rest of the world dislikes us.

Hey its all good, we're in America, run for office - you'll probably get elected.[/QUOTE]

Oh, a change of heart perhaps? Are you really worried about what another population may be offended by?

Actually, it's a quote from a song...from another New Yorker, as a matter of fact.

I hardly think a reference to a song with language that was once regarded as a socially acceptable abbreviation is any where near as offensive as a comment desiring a plague ravage a continent's population.

But again, we are in America; and you are entitled to express your beliefs, irregardless of how anyone else may feel about what you're expressing. (And I am thankful for our country.)

So, I wish you well. And I hope you are just blowing off impersonally via the safety and obscurity of the web, and not as truly inhumane as your comments appear.

No excuses.... your comment about "japs" shows your true racist colors, since you like that quote enough to add it to your profile.

I'm sure that the remaining Japanese victims of The Atomic Bomb would agree with me.

Dont underestimate the ability of a few small attacks to turn into a bloody mess.
There are still a lot of Russian and Potuguese interests there that would love to lay their hands on that country again.
Nothing better than a war to restructure the country and its people.

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Originally posted by Nganga:

quote:

Originally posted by KPete:
No Steve. You are far too intelligent to believe that.

The gist of Leopardtrack's post was bestial indifference to less fortunate humans at best; at worst, unvarnished bigotry. To characterize the saving of hundreds of thousands of AIDs stricken African men, women, and children as creating an "indigenous problem" for Africa is both heartless and cruel. African friends of mine have been saved from Leopardtrack's "good plague" through such intervention, and I'm sure friends of yours, too.

Beware the reflexive instinct to support your friends' rants, Steve, especially when they are so patently evil.

Kim, honestly, I thought his intent was as I defined. Africa is unable to deal with the overpopulation.

I think any answers to the multitudes of Africa's societal issues are far to complex for us to resolve here on AR. (at least tonight )

Regards,

Steve

People, I understand Kim’s opinion! It is based on emotion, much like the thought process that we hate so much in the animal rights folks who simply misunderstand the fact that the hunters who take the quotas set by the game biologists keeps the population in check which is the species’ best friend for long term existence.

The fact is, no matter whether we like it or not, we have successfully whipped just about every disease known to man kind, and it is a fact that Africa is just a look into the future for the whole world. Going at our present pace, we are fast overpopulating in a direction of overwhelming the carrying capacity of the planet. Without wars, and disease the end would be even sooner.

For thousands of years Africa maintained a balanced population for the space and food supply by little tribe wars, predation by other animals, and disease and high infant mortality, and shorter life spans, which kept population in check and balanced with the available space and resources that all life competes for.

Folks, NATURE is not right or wrong, it just is what it is! In nature no animal but humans die of OLD AGE! Disease or predation keeps things balanced. Humans working to cure all ills will be the destruction of life on earth!

When you practice your tendency to think only with emotion, the Disney syndrome comes into play, and like the animal rights nuts we start to think with our hearts instead of with our brain. Gentlemen, and ladies, the balance of nature doesn’t only apply to the other animals, it also applies to humans as well. Man has only one real enemy to keep us in check population wise, ourselves.

Today because we have tried to save every human on this planet by manipulating the natural life span of humans and heading off any disease we can. On an emotional level, that seems the thing to do, but just like in wildlife, we tend to try to keep one species in check because if allowed to overwhelm the habitat it not only effects that species but all others that depend on the space the over population destroys.

The fact is Africa is over populated and out of balance with its space and resources, and Steve is correct we didn’t help the situation by sticking our noses in!

The above is just my opinion, based on scientific fact, leaving the Disney syndrome out of the equation! Some facts of life simply must be accepted whether we like them or not!
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Crickets....

My contact in Moz seems to think, not much of an incident on the recent uproar near Gorongoza. His operation is quite close to this area. The media, up to it's usual gloom and doom he said. He is however watchful of the upcoming elections and expects some disruptions on small, local levels until the dust settles. Daily life going on as usual is the norm at the moment.

Larry Sellers
SCI (International) Life Member

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Originally posted by surestrike:
And I am 100% sure that the only thing for sure when dealing with Africa is that nothing is 100% sure.

Yup. That pretty much sums up Africa.