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I wanted to post a few more of Marks’s lions for the enjoyment of all. I just posted those that were taken during last season and the beginning of this season. Feel free to make comments good or bad, and judge or subjectively guess each lion's age if you wish. I hope it will be enjoyable and not too controversial. The clients, however, wish to remain anonymous. Lion Series #1   Lion Series #2   Lion Series #3   Lion Series #4   Lion Series #5   Lion Series #6 (Trail Cam Pictures)   Cheers, Shawn Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | ||
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Does it really get any better than hunting with Mark? The man deserves admiration from hunters and fellow PHs alike. I don't know of any other PH who produces quality trophies like this (not including fenced pens in SA, of course). My hat is off to you, Mark. Cal PS. Nice rifle, by the way! _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Some fine looking lions!  | |||
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Beautiful cats!!!! He certainly does produce nice trophies. | |||
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Great cats. I would hunt with him if I knew I would see these cats... | |||
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Serious shumbas. Will J. Parks, III | |||
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Same here Shawn...He's doing a SUPERB job I'm ready to do more prints for him  Seriously brother  Roland | |||
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Roland, You did a great job on the other five projects brother! I will have to get more to you in the very near future. All my Aloha, Shawn Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Some very nice lions to be sure! I was hoping we could get the experts and novices both involved by getting those interested to make some general age estimations too! If not, I am glad to see people are simply enjoying the great photos. I did not contact Mark for his age estimates so this thread can simply be about what others think. Best always, Shawn Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Fantastic Lions, I am no expert and do not want to get my head chopped off, these photos do not give you much to work off as far as aging, but I will give my first off feelings, I will not give reasons for my ageing as this is always where the controversy comes in, these are my honest Gut feelings, #1 6/7 years of age #2 6/7 years of age #3 5/6 years of age #4 5/6 years of age #5 6/7 years of age All great Lions, and I am sure all happy clients, Regards JK | |||
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I am actually sitting here at a table with Dr Colleen Begg in Niassa. She just aged my lion in the 7-9 year old category. They have under 4 years, 4-6 years and 7-9 years categories. She told me she or she thought no one on earth could tell someone an exact year on a lion's age even after critiquing the skull (not to mention alive and in the field). She said no way could she tell someone if a lion was 10 years old, or 12 years old. So this is obviously very in exact. She did say that they have aged over 60 hunted lions, and if the nose is 50% black or more, 100% of the lions they aged were over 6 years old. She said they have not had one single anomaly. That may be specific to Niassa...Just passing on what I thought was some interesting stuff from one of the world's foremost lion experts. Good Hunting, Tim Herald Worldwide Trophy Adventures tim@trophyadventures.com | |||
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Hi Tim Agree with you, all I did here was what the Author of the Topic asked for, I did not give any exact or say I was expert, just my gut feeling as a Hunter looking at the Photos, not been able to see any of the other body characteristics to be able to age, But I would say I am pretty close at least within a few years, | |||
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JK- my post wasn't aimed at you or anyone in particular. Just sharing some of what I learned today... Good Hunting, Tim Herald Worldwide Trophy Adventures tim@trophyadventures.com | |||
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number 4 was blind in right eye? D.V.M. | |||
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Interesting Tim! Could you ask here about that 6year rule? Would love to hear what she thinks about it! | |||
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She is a huge supporter of 6 year old rule. We filmed her talking about it today for the show. Good Hunting, Tim Herald Worldwide Trophy Adventures tim@trophyadventures.com | |||
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JK...Thanks for providing some of your thoughts about their ages! Shawn Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Tim that is really interesting information. Lane had previously identified Dr. Begg as someone that guides the LCTF opinion. Perhaps some of the other two LCTF experts (Dr. Packer & Dr. White) could comment on that aspect in correlation to their research findings as well. It is interesting and perhaps important to lion hunters when applied with other viewable characteristics as out in the field it is not possible to evaluate the skull and teeth beforehand if you follow my thinking. If Dr. Begg is interested in applying a guess to the ages of any of the photos using that criteria, and with our understanding that she is simply providing a guess based on limited known information (so others don't put her on the spot), I think it would be interesting! Shawn Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Strewth, they're nice cats! | |||
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Tim, Please tell Colleen Hi for me! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Fantastic cats, they all certainly look mature, No 3 looks a tad younger than the other ones but he doesn't look very young, i would dare to believe no 4 is the oldest or at least the one that had the toughest life, anyway wonderful animals! | |||
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By the way which area is Mark hunting this days? | |||
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Guess I wasted money on that aging lion book! It said they were all younger than MS.  | |||
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Of course they are younger than MS. He has to be about 60 years old by now... But seriously, where did MS say how old these lions were supposed to be? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Jason: Seeing MS declared the lion to be 12 years old in the first photo posted it would be fair to assume (using this photo a "template") that these others, whose ages were not disclosed, must be ranging between 10 - 25 years  P.S. All super trophies regardless of age! Good on the hunter and MS. | |||
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Actually, to be technically correct, being Tanzania lions, I would think them to be "serious simbas" instead of "shumbas"!!  | |||
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All fantastic lions,well done Mark | |||
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I vote MUFASAs ! D/R Hunter Correct bullet placement, combined with the required depth of bullet penetration, results in an anchored animal... | |||
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I noticed that Lane had linked the Mark Sullivan Lion (1 picture) thread back to his thread on the African Lions Hunting Management and Ecology Forum. I just thought I would also link this thread, Mark Sullivan Lions (10 pictures) back to the African Lions Hunting Management and Ecology Forum (Recent Lion Taken with/by Sullivan) so they are tied together. Cheers, Shawn Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Were these the only lions taken by MS in this period? Pretty good work! I tell you what would be really informative, once the TZ Wildlife Dpt issues the aging results for them, to have these posted here. "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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I have reasons to believe that in spite of a number of "old" lions being taken last year, none went over 6 With that said the TZ lion appears older to the eye than what he is in the tooth. | |||
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exactly ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Yes Bwana these are all of the lions Mark killed in Tanzania last season through the beginning of this season. Shawn Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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I disagree on both counts. Oh, by the way, this is my opinion "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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OK Mich, none went over 6 1/2 then - maybe our information comes from separate sources and possibly my source within the GD is inaccurate. | |||
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Mark is currently on safari in Moyowosi Central. This is the same block where he started his professional hunting career in 1990. Shawn Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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I like all the little digs that are being thrown in on Mark Sullivan's lion age estimates... When it comes to Mark Sullivan, haters are gonna hate, with any excuse they are given. His ageing may be off, but you if look at the Lion pics posted here, the ones on his website, the pictures in his books, and you have to give credit where credit is due... He has no reason to be ashamed of any of the lion trophy's he has gotten for his clients. . "The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge." | |||
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I thought I would add another lion that Mark and his client just recently killed last week for everyone that might wish to view it. I also added the photos (trail camera pictures) to the top of the thread with the other lion photos. Cheers, Shawn Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Hi Shawn, Nice cat. Were these images taken just before he was shot? It looks like he is staring intently at something, possibly the blind? Am I correct in saying this was in Moyowosi? "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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