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My wife and I will be hunting in Tanzania this year in late September/early October and will have about a 1-1/2 days of free time in Dar Es Salaam before flying home. Is there anything we should do/see while there? And what things/area's should we stay away from? In general, how safe is Dar Es Salaam for Americans? Thanks for your help! | ||
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MHC_TX, Nothing much to see or do in Dar isa Slum, that I know of. Stay in a nice hotel next to the ocean and enjoy the view. Our hotel had a great swimming pool and outdoor dining overlooking the ocean. I don't think Dar is any more dangerous than most African cities. I, however, wouldn't take a day trip to Zanzibar. Regards, Terry | |||
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Get your safari outfitter, or a reliable tour operator, to take you to the Ebony Market. Safety is a concern, so I wouldn't necessarily venture there alone in what passes for a taxi. The variety of hand-carved ebony artifacts on sale there is almost boundless. And the prices are very, very low. | |||
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There is a lot to do in Dar es Salaam, you can go to the old market and buy spears, sheilds, elephant hair bracelets and all sorts of stuff...take a side trip to Zanzibar, the heart of the slave trade...Some good resturants....good boating trips and fishing as well as being taken to one of the islands to swim on pretine beaches and eat fresh caught fish prepared for you...If you have time go up north and see N'gorogoro crater from the air in a baloon ride... Stay at the Seacliff Hotel and they can arrange day trips... There is all manor of things to do and see in Dar.. As to your safty, I believe the people of Tanzania are the best in Africa, and have walked the streets there at night in the better areas, but its still a big city, but safer than LA or NY by a long shot....They had their war, their hunger and famine, they are a peacefull people..Thats the way I see it....Africa can be a culture shock to the newbie there and I have seen Americans get very nervous over the street people selling socks, soap, cashews etc when the swarm the car but just ignore them or smile and go on your way...I have spent an awfull lot of time in that city and at first I thought it the pit of the world, but that's not the case, its Africa at it best... | |||
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I would not advise a trip to Zanzibar. The State Department has traveling warnings out for Zanzibar. It is predominantly Muslim with links to Muslim fundamentalist groups. I was there in 2002, and would not go back. "Political tension on Zanzibar and Pemba can be extremely high. In the past, riot police have clashed violently with demonstrators on several occasions, and a number of small explosions have occurred on Zanzibar and Pemba islands, as well as on the mainland. U.S. citizens are reminded that violent demonstrations and bombings could recur with little warning. To avoid potential violence, travelers should maintain a high level of security vigilance at all times and avoid political rallies and related public gatherings. Some of the more recent bombings on Zanzibar have targeted establishments that may be perceived by certain fundamentalist elements to be �decadent.' Although to date the targets have been bars not generally frequented by Westerners, American travelers should be aware that such attacks have occurred and the possibility exists that future attacks may not be limited to establishments patronized exclusively by locals. In the past, there have also been published threats in some Zanzibar newspapers warning that women who dress immodestly may be subject to harassment. American citizens are advised to dress modestly and to refrain from intemperate public behavior." State Dept. Travel Maybe Ray has more current information about the situation in Zanzibar. Regards, Terry | |||
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I agree with Ray on this one. I had a day before my safari and I asked the outfiters representative to give me a tour of Dar. Saw it all, good, bad, and ugly. We had a wonderful lunch at a restaurant on the beach that saw very few whites. The seafood was unbelievable, people very friendly, and found what turned out to be a great deal on Tanzanite for my wife. Since I was hunting the Selous, instead of an Air Charter, I took the Zambia train, meeting my PH at Kinyonguru (sp?). That train was the experience of a lifetime. The bottom line is you may never get there again, take advantage of the time, do as much as you can....... | |||
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Don't go to the General Post Office when someone lobs a grenade through a window. Actually it was only a rock, but the hundred plus people inside all thought it was a grenade. All the local blacks were well practised and hit the ground or ran out the doors (excpet one who ran through the glass door). Just us stupid whitey mazungas standing around stupidly. Actually a lot of fun (as no explosion) and something to write home to the folks.  PS Don't worry this was a while (twenty years) ago. | |||
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I know a lot of folks that go to Zanzibar every year and we went last year, I did not see all this shock and awe, the state dept. and this thread is puting out... That all came about prior to 9-11 when the embassy was bombed in Tanzania, but then the embassy was bombed in New York, and then 9-11 was certainly much worse that anything the world has seen, are you and the state dept. afraid to go to New York, its a lot more dangerous obviously... The state dept. will play it safe and tell americans to stay home every time, it a political thing, a I told you so escape..... I remember when all of RSA was rioting my the "millions" according to our news media and when I got to RSA there were 12 blacks carrying signs at the Cape Town courthouse, all grinning, they represented the whole Zulu and Xhosi nations you see, so thats the 7 million rioters....What a croc. If someone has not been to Dar es Salaam, how can they make such judgmental remarks...I have been there many times and as recently as last year and about 10 years in a row prior to that and then some, and I highly recommend it for tourism, and they are very much into tourism and getting their country established... The seacliff will know what the political situation is and would certainly not send you anywhere that was dangerous. I see all the Tanzania PHs out in Dar living up the night life all the time, all over town..bunches of hunters in all the bars and resturants, and I never have heard any talk of fear or danger, nor does it even cross my mind.. I never yell the sky is falling until I am pretty sure it does..I defended Zimbabwe until it got out of hand, then I pulled out..but I am firm in Tanzania and I will call it a safe haven in the African continent... | |||
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QUOTE: "I highly recommend it for tourism, and they are very much into tourism and getting their country established..." And, apparently, very much into blowing shit up! Zanzibar probes bomb attacks March 22, 2004 BBC News Investigations have been launched by police in Zanzibar following a series of bomb attacks targeting prominent personalities and a tourist hotel. At the weekend, unknown assailants bombed the residence of a government minister and a government-appointed religious leader. A BBC correspondent on the Indian Ocean island says two diplomats were present when a hand grenade was thrown at a tourist restaurant but did not go off. No arrests have been made. Diplomatic sources confirmed that a British and an American envoy were present at the restaurant during the failed bomb attack. Muslims The BBC's Ally Saleh in Zanzibar says its difficult to tell who has been behind the attacks. During the past two weeks, the government of Zanzibar has been locked in a confrontation with Muslim activists protesting at repressive laws. However, the Muslim activists, have distanced themselves from the bomb attacks. Last week, police in Zanzibar arrested five people whom they say were involved in violent activities which include the bombing of a bus owned by the Catholic Church in Zanzibar. _______________________________________________________________________________________ Political Tensions Rise On Zanzibar Cathy Majtenyi Nairobi 19 May 2004, 15:03 UTC Political tensions are rising on the semi-autonomous islands of Zanzibar ahead of next year's elections. Incidents of politically motivated violence are multiplying and opposition supporters are the clear target. The Palm Beach Inn on the east coast of Zanzibar's main island is the stuff of picture postcards: azure waters lapping on a snow-white beach framed by lush-green coconut palm trees. Until a few weeks ago, tourists from Europe and North America came to this idyllic hotel. But since a horde of people wielding spears and guns threw a firebomb at the hotel a month ago, its rooms have been empty. For five years, Palm Beach Inn managing director Naila Jiddawi, was a member of parliament from the opposition party Civic United Front. She even contemplated running as an opposition candidate in the 2000 presidential election, but will not be running for any office this time around. She says she was shocked by the firebombing of her hotel, which she says was carried out by a crowd led by local officials of the ruling-party Chama Cha Mapinduzi. "Exactly two days later (after the attack), I saw in the newspaper saying Naila Jiddawi wants to run as a presidential candidate. It is not true - I do not belong to any political party. But it is just their fear of thinking that maybe some of us are going to run against them and they know that they are standing on very slippery ground," she says. See this link for the rest of the story News | |||
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Does this mean the Palm Beach Inn is half standing or half fallen down?  | |||
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Hmmmm, now go and research the rest of the world, including the USA, Were trying a terrorist in Boise, more than a few plots of terrorism have been stopped in the USA and in the UK and everywhere else for that matter, wake up my friend, its here and you cannot run away from it, so impress me with some more with "headlines" to make a point... Bad stuff is happening all over the globe, NY City, Watts, Madrid Spain, Japan, Russia, Germany, Disneyland, and on and on... But, if that bothers you maybe a vacation in Mr. Roberts neighborhood is more appropo for you...  Will, Am I haveing a bad day     | |||
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Ray, In 2002, I spent four days on Zanzibar in a hotel in Stone Town. But I went there knowing the risks. I stayed up with the current condition on the ground by reading the news from Africa and by contacting the US Embassy in Tanzania. For you to make the blanket statement Zanzibar is safe, is both ignorant and irresponsible on your part. You of all people should know that the situation can change quickly in a place like Africa. Zanzibar has had a long history of political and religous upheavel. If you would care to do a Google search, you will find that there has been a spate of bombings in Zanzibar in the last six months. You, sir, need to realize that your opinion is one of many. And in this case, your opinion is both outdated and potentially dangerous. Regards, Terry Carr | |||
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It's been nearly four years since I overnighted and spent the following day there. Started out interesting when at the airport I got to watch a decent fight between two cabbies over a fare. Ray's advice about staying at that SeaCliff place is probably good. I stayed in some "moderately priced" hotel (the Peacock? Peabody?) and that was a boo-boo. I knew that when we pulled up in front of the place and there was some people sleeping on the sidewalk in front of it. The next day I hired a cab driver to give me a $20 tour of the area and that was neat. Saw the blown up U.S. Embassy and a huge AIDS hospital. Apparently it was full as people who looked close to death were lying about outside the place. It was the cab driver's idea to go there, apparently he thought of it as a tourist "must see" thing. | |||
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JBoutfishn, That train ride sounds interesting. Can you tell us some more? I take it your PH picked you up somewhere along the line and drove the rest of the way. | |||
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SBT, the train ride was a great addition to the actual hunt. I bought a ticket at the Dar Station for about $13.00 US, which was a private compartment. I was to get off at the 5th stop, which was important since none of the the stops were marked or announced  The trip took about 41/2 hours.The fifth stop was Kinyonguru (sp?) where my PH met me for the 3 hour drive to our camp in the MK1 area. The rep for the PH introduced me to a tracker (excellent english) who was going to kinyonguru to meet up with his boss, a PH who was hunting another concession. He was very happy to share my comparment where I bought him a few beers. We talked the whole trip and I picked up many insights on hunting the Selous. The train was an old diesel that struggled on some of the hills where it sounded like it may have had some moisture in the fuel. After that got worked out, it ran a lot smoother. There was only one car with compartments, the rest of the train was made up of about 10 cars that were jamed with people. To get the Idea, look at an old National Geographic Magazine with the locals hanging off the train in any third world country. It was almost dark when the train made its fifth stop. As I jumped off the train (no platforms) I hoped my PH was there. My bag and gun case were thrown off the train behind me as the train pulled out thanks to my new friend. In about 5 minutes after the train left, a black with a huge smile came out of the bush calling jeember jeember. He wistled and another came over, grabbed by bag and gun case indicating I follow him. In about 50 yards we came to a clearing where the PH tossed me a beer saying WELCOME TO AFRICA. Life is truly an adventure. | |||
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SBT, the train ride was a great addition to the actual hunt. I bought a ticket at the Dar Station for about $13.00 US, which was a private compartment. I was to get off at the 5th stop, which was important since none of the the stops were marked or announced The trip took about 41/2 hours.The fifth stop was Kinyonguru (sp?) where my PH met me for the 3 hour drive to our camp in the MK1 area. The rep for the PH introduced me to a tracker (excellent english) who was going to kinyonguru to meet up with his boss, a PH who was hunting another concession. He was very happy to share my comparment where I bought him a few beers. We talked the whole trip and I picked up many insights on hunting the Selous. The train was an old diesel that struggled on some of the hills where it sounded like it may have had some moisture in the fuel. After that got worked out, it ran a lot smoother. There was only one car with compartments, the rest of the train was made up of about 10 cars that were jamed with people. To get the Idea, look at an old National Geographic Magazine with the locals hanging off the train in any third world country. It was almost dark when the train made its fifth stop. As I jumped off the train (no platforms) I hoped my PH was there. My bag and gun case were thrown off the train behind me as the train pulled out thanks to my new friend. In about 5 minutes after the train left, a black with a huge smile came out of the bush calling jeember jeember. He wistled and another came over, grabbed by bag and gun case indicating I follow him. In about 50 yards we came to a clearing where my PH tossed me a beer saying WELCOME TO AFRICA. Life is truly an adventure. | |||
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T. Carr, No sir, you need to realize that my disagreeing with you is my opinnion, based on my yearly experiences, and I have as much right to disagree with you as you do with me and I don't see disagreeing with your post as arrogant or anything else, merely disagreeing..and I do disagree with your "expertise"...wheather you like it or not is of little interrest to me. | |||
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Ray, You had your chance. You could have acted like a gentleman and simply said, "I didn't realize that there had been recent problems in Zanzibar. Maybe, now is not a good time for a trip to Zanzibar." Instead you relied upon your "expertise" of having been there last year. You present the illogical argument that because you have been to Zanzibar in the past, then it is safe. I am not foolhardy enough to rely solely on past experience. Instead, I prefer to base my opinion on current information. My "expertise" comes from reading the news. For you to say that the level of risk is the same in Disneyland and Zanzibar is logic not becoming a third grader. For you to imply that only a coward would be afraid to go to an island where a tourist hotel and restaurant have been attacked is beyond belief. You may dazzle the rookies with your bullshit. For those of us who have been there, the standard is much higher. Regards, Terry Carr | |||
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Try going to the Dar's food markets especially the meat market and see what the meat looks like before it is served to you in your restaurant or hotel. | |||
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Gemtlemen, I have lived in Tanzania for 12 years after moving from Kenya! 8 of these I spent in Dar and have even worked in Zanzibar for a year! I am fluent in kiswahili and have grown up amongst the natives and as such I am very confident that i understand them, their way of thinking and way of life. Dar es Salaam is a VERY safe city. Like any other city there are places that as a foreigner one should avoid not because it is certain death if you go there but simply because you will be "out of place". Zanzibar is a must visit for someone who has the time to go there whilst in Tanzania. When there, don't spend more than a day in Stone Town (As Zanzibar town is called) to see old buildings,slave market, and some shopping. Then head straight ofr a beach resort - on the NorthEast, South East or North coast - and here there are many to choose from. Of ocurse you will be approached regularly by the islanders trying to sell you everything from curios, excursions, drugs and women. If you are not interested in anything they offer then tell them and they will soon leave you alone to "attack" the next mzungu (whitey) in view. The basic islanders rely on two means of income: fishing which barely allows them to be self sustainable and tourists which is an easy avenue for them to make more money than fishing. A fisherman will earn about 2-3 dollars a day by selling their catch. If they sell you a bracelet for $5 they have almost doubled their earnings! Terry, I can assure you that as a foreigner or as an american you are no more in danger in Zanzibar then you are walking around any mid-sized country town in Europe or the US. True there have been bombings there (all of them using grenades)and these are all politically motivated not targeted at foreigners let alone US citizens! News is often sensationalised otherwise it doens't sell. The chances of you being deliberately killed by muslim fanatics in Zanzibar is as likely as you getting hit by a runaway car in your hometown; and that is no exageration. I have friends living in Zanzibar with families and kids and work colleagues that regularly go to spend a weekend at the beach. There are no problems especially if your trip is through a travel agent or tour operator. So next time you are in Tanzania, let me know and I will gladly plan your trip to Zanzibar to see for yourself. happy hunting! | |||
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JBoutfishn, I have taken that train ride many a times and always enjoyed it tremendously. It is amazing what one can see from the train once you enter the Selous. I have seen many buff herd, elephants, lions, zebras and lot's of other game a few metres form the tracks and with the slow speed of the train one can almost call it a game viewing ride! How did you like the concession MK1? I have only been in the neighbouring block KY1 belonging to the same concession holder whioch has been converted to a photographic block. KY1 was just an amzing block. Teeming with game one could think they are in one of the Northenr parks.....By the way the station is spelled Kinyanguru. | |||
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Bwanamich, Quote: "True there have been bombings there (all of them using grenades)and these are all politically motivated not targeted at foreigners let alone US citizens!" So, the firebombing of a hotel with US guests was a mistake? They didn't know that foreign tourists were there? The hand grenade thrown into a tourist restaurant was also a mistake, they meant to throw the hand grenade in the "locals only" restaurant next door? When that happens, what is one supposed to say? I am an American and Bwanamich says I am safe here so take your hand grenade somewhere else? What if that hand grenade had exploded and killed ten tourists? What would be your response? You seem to have a high regard for the ability of your terrorists to select only non-tourist targets. Based upon your anlaysis that the bombings are "not targeted at foreigners let alone US citizens", how would you explain this skill? Is it learned or inherent? Is there a specialized school they attend? I would suggest that recent events appear that the graduates are failing their practical exams and, perhaps, further education is required. Should the curriculum change so as to specifically include tourist targets, would you please notfiy me in advance? Quote: "Terry, I can assure you that as a foreigner or as an american you are no more in danger in Zanzibar then you are walking around any mid-sized country town in Europe or the US." Let's see, when was the last time the local residents of Joplin, Missouri firebombed a hotel or threw a hand grenade into a restaurant? Quote: "News is often sensationalised otherwise it doens't sell." Please tell me what part of the two news stories I posted have been sensationalised. Really, let's deal in facts here. Quote: "I have friends living in Zanzibar with families and kids and work colleagues that regularly go to spend a weekend at the beach." And that proves what? Quote: "There are no problems especially if your trip is through a travel agent or tour operator." Oh really, would those be the same travel agents and tour operators who booked their clients into The Palm Beach Inn? Please post a list of the travel agents and tour operators who have advance warning of hotel firebombings and grenade attacks on restaurants. What business are you in? Is it tourist related? If you choose to respond to these questions then please provide us with a way to independently verify your response. Otherwise, we have no facts about you which would allow us to rely upon your opinion regarding travel to Zanzibar. Merely being a resident of Tanzania, does not in of itself, prove that your opinion is not biased or uninformed. I have stated my opinion based upon published news stories. If someone travels to Zanzibar and is killed by a hand grenade that isn't a dud, please give us your address so we can send you the bill for the funeral. Are you proposing that we should ignore the published facts and rely upon the internet postings of an unknown person? Regards, Terry | |||
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Terry....you're points are well taken and I would hope that anyone who travels to any 3rd world country would keep his/her eyes and ears open to what is going on around them. It's one thing to "play with fire" but it's studpid to do it wearing a "gasoline-suit". | |||
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Bwanamich, Our camp at MK1 was on the Ruvu River. We heard Lions all night across the river which I recall was part of a photography consession. The amount of game in the MK1 was amazing. We saws herds of Buffalo that seemed to be in the thousands. At one point we watched Wildebeast moving horizon to horizon, which were followed by Zebra. On this hunt I harvested Buffalo, Wildebeast, Hartebeast, Zebra, and Impala. We never found a Warthog that had Ivory big enough. I saw Leopard, Hippo, Elephant with very nice ivory, Civet Cat, Croc, and Puff Adder Another bonus on this trip was the culling of 4 Buffalo and 6 Wildebeast. Looking forward to returning in October of 2005 for Lion if things work out. | |||
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JBoutfisn, Thanks for the info. Sounds like a great way to begin a fabulous adventure. I would truely love to hunt the Selous, especially for elephant and lion. If the right deal comes about, I'll be in touch for more details. | |||
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My only comment to anyone traveling to a country with an existing official US Govt Travel Warning is to check your insurance policies. You will find many of the travel, medical, medjet, etc. policies specifically exclude any benefits/obligations if you travel to those areas. It may not be every policy, but it should still be checked before you make your decision, IMO. Shannon | |||
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If you find it difficult to get medivac cover, I would suggest the Amref policy which costs around US$40 for 12 months cover. (I believe) It only covers the medivac back to Dar and locating you to a private room at the Aga Khan Hospital though......after that you need a seperate policy to pay for treatment which you should be able to get through 911 or Wildside Insurance RSA. | |||
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Well, Terry, sorry you feel that way...but I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you over this... IMO your wrong and the "Bullshit" is on your behalf, not mine and yes I made my decision my experience, that's a fact, but you shouldn't believe everything you read.. We have both expressed our views, let it rest. | |||
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Ray, This is a not an argument about whether the .270 or 30.06 is the best deer rifle. This is an argument that involves a potentially dangerous situatuion. You have recommended taking a trip to Zanzibar without knowing the current situation on the island. How would you feel if your client was killed by hand grenade while visiting Zanzibar? QUOTE: "I made my decision my experience..." Past experience that does not take into account current conditions. QUOTE: "you shouldn't believe everything you read..." If you have specific information contradicting the published news reports, then post it here. Otherwise, stop pulling things out of your ass. Regards, Terry Carr | |||
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Quote: Terry, if you read the news report it goes on to explain that the owner of the bombed hotel was a former political leader of the Civic United Front. That was the reason they bombed the hotel not because they wanted to kill foreigners! Quote: Again, most restaurants, bars or guest house/hotel are collectively named "Tourist hotels". There is no such thing as a "tourist" or "Local" hotel/bar classification. The News report itself first states that a "Tourist Hotel" was targeted and then later they refer to the "hotel" as a "tourist restaurant". Are you trying to tell me that your Terrorists were deliberately targeting the two diplomats? Come on, they happened to be there. I can tell you right now that ALL the diplomats that work in Dar es Salaam go to Zanzibar for weekend holidays. I bet those two were on holiday and NOT on official duty. The guy that threw the bomb had no idea who they were. Read more on this below. Quote: Your argument here makes no sense! Do you really believe these were terrorists? Don't you think that they would have been a bit more effective? After all they have proved countless times how much damage they can do all over the world. They would not have targeted 2 lonely diplomats with a dud. they would have driven a car full of explosives into one of those resorts on the East Coast that hosts 600 to 800 tourists like they did in Kenya! Quote: I see you must have a very narrow mind as you interpret everything literally. How many high school shootings have we had in Tanzania - IN SMALL TOWNS! TERRY DO YOU SEND YOUR KIDS TO SCHOOL? IF SO YOU MUSTN'T... Should we as foreign tourists avoid going to Florida because a few German tourists got shot there? The USA has 100's more terrorists then the whole of East Africa. From your perspective you would be safer in Zanzibar then at home it would seem Quote: What facts do you see in the reports other than a "dud" grenade WAS thrown at a restaurant and that a commotion occurred at the Palm Beach Inn? Come on tell me? You are relying on the written words of a media person. You want Facts: The restaurant in question was called "mercury". It is a popular restaurant in zanzibar. The two diplomats were ON HOLIDAY in Zanzibar. One was from Malawi the other from Dar es Salaam. The local authorities officially blamed the attempt on religious and personal motivations. The owner of the restaurant is a prominent Muslim but WAS SELLING ALCOHOL in his restaurant- A taboo not often overlooked amongst some of the Muslim communities. As for the Palm Beach, the reason it was targeted has been explained by the reporter; it was owned by a Political figure. THAT IS THE FACT! Another fact is that THERE WAS NO GRENADE! The "horde of people" attempted to set the hotel on fire but did NOT succeed! Do you believe every word reported in the news? It is obvious you do... Quote: Proves that I have access to first hand updated information on Zanzibar and you don't. Proves that if the Island was "teeming" with terrorist activities as you imply, they would GET OUT or NOT GO THERE!. Oh but wait, they are not media reporters and have not "published" their stories. They MUST BE WRONG.  Quote: Since you like things published, please list a directory of Travel Agents that do book the Palm Beach Inn? Do you even know what the Palm Beach Inn looks like? It is no even listed in the Zanzibar Hotels Association list. It hardly qualifies as a hotel as it is more a "guest house" with very basic thatched bungalows and no facilities associated with a tourist hotel structure. But it sounds better in the news if one uses the term "Tourist Hotel" doesn't it? Quote: Yes I am in the Tourist business. Have been since graduating from Hotel Management school in 1989. The last 11 years have been spent here in Tanzania and Zanzibar. My responses are based on my knowledge of the events from talking first hand to the people I know living and working on the island I referred to above. Just as reliable a source as your "BBC reporter" if not more as they have nothing to gain whereas the reporter NEEDS to sell a story to his employers. Not all news that is written is true! But I see that you only believe what you can read and BBC or CNN ARE NEVER WRONG in your mind as they can only tell the truth because they are the MEDIA! . Quote: Which according to you are as good as the words in the BIBLE right? Quote: I honestly thought you were more mature than this sentence implies. Quote: ARE YOU proposing that we believe blindly to the published facts of the media when other info from people actually living there contradicts some of it? Terry, your mind is obviously made up and I have no intention of changing it as it would be a waste of breath. My only advice to you is beware of leaving your house as you never know if a drive by is coming up your driveway | |||
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QUOTE: "Terry, if you read the news report it goes on to explain that the owner of the bombed hotel was a former political leader of the Civic United Front. That was the reason they bombed the hotel not because they wanted to kill foreigners!" It doesn't matter what their motivation was, the facts are that tourists could have been killed or injured. QUOTE: "Are you trying to tell me that your Terrorists were deliberately targeting the two diplomats?" No, I never said said that. I don't care who, if anyone, they were targeting or what their motivation was. The fact is, they threw a hand grenade into a restaurant where tourists where present. QUOTE: "Do you really believe these were terrorists? Don't you think that they would have been a bit more effective? After all they have proved countless times how much damage they can do all over the world. They would not have targeted 2 lonely diplomats with a dud. they would have driven a car full of explosives into one of those resorts on the East Coast that hosts 600 to 800 tourists like they did in Kenya!" So I am to find comfort in the fact that the terrorists on Zanzibar are poorly supplied. Are you saying the terrorists knew it was dud? QUOTE: "The local authorities officially blamed the attempt on religious and personal motivations. The owner of the restaurant is a prominent Muslim but WAS SELLING ALCOHOL in his restaurant- A taboo not often overlooked amongst some of the Muslim communities." So, do you advise all of your clients to avoid restaurants which sell alcohol? QUOTE: "As for the Palm Beach, the reason it was targeted has been explained by the reporter; it was owned by a Political figure. THAT IS THE FACT! Another fact is that THERE WAS NO GRENADE! The "horde of people" attempted to set the hotel on fire but did NOT succeed!" Again, you are missing the point. It doesn't matter the motivation, the fact is the hotel was occuppied by tourists. Who said there was a grenade? The report says the hotel was firebombed. So, I am to be comforted by the fact that the mob was, this time, not good at their job? QUOTE: "Yes I am in the Tourist business." I thought so. QUOTE: "ARE YOU proposing that we believe blindly to the published facts of the media when other info from people actually living there contradicts some of it?" No, but I am also not proposing that we blindly believe the internet postings of someone who is involved in the tourist business in East Africa. Regards, Terry Carr | |||
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Terry, I think that now you are trying to find errors in my wording rather than addressing the point at hand which is is Zanzibar safe to visit. It is as safe to visit as visiting any city in the USA or Europe or Africa or anywhere else in the world. THAT IS THE FACT! Happy hunting! | |||
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Quote: Terry if you have to know, I sell ice cream and coffee through my family owned shop. I also help my brother out in his business which is the exportation of ocean products. I also freelance in the safari business hunting (not guiding) and photographic. why do you think I have soo much time to surf this forum. You can choose to believe the BBC reporter or believe my posts through the internet Best thing is come and see for yourself. | |||
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Carr, Apparantly your frustration level is perking since not everyone is listening to your sermon, and so you have resorted to insulting remarks and profanity to make a pointless point, you are not the only opinion on this board apparantly...Others who seem qualified agree that your mistaken... So take a couple of aspirin, a nap and go read a newspaper some more, thats where all your knowledge seems to stim from...I am in daily contact with Dar es Salaam and I simply passed on what I believe to be a fact...Give the Seacliff a call for that matter.. At any rate I find your remarks uncalled for and won't continue this thread any further. | |||
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Quote: No, I didn't say any of that. My point is similar to your point that you didn't trust the report of someone who was in the tourism industry in the area in question. It's my experience that the media is a much more questionable source of information, since they sell papers, etc. based solely on making things sound as exciting as possible. A while back, our papers had several articles about a bear that wandered into the Convocation Center on the campus where my son goes to college. In Boone, a very small NC mountain town. I talked to him about it, and he said that most of the students he talked to hadn't even heard about it. Here in Raleigh, it was quite a sensation. What was the difference? Raleigh has the News & Observer!  Rick. | |||
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Our company just finished a job on Zanzibar and our crew loved it. Our local workers were a joy compared to many and now want to come to America to work. They took their day off to show our guy around the island and bought him presents to bring back. Nobody said anything about terrorists although they were all Muslims. | |||
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Allrighty then............. Well I don't know shit about Zanzibar but here's one thing you really want to be carefull not to do in Dar. Do not under any circumstances ever ever ever.... Meet up with a bunch of overly friendly happy locals and wind trying to drink them under the table at the Q Bar the night before flying a small charter aircraft out to Ifkara in the hot turbulent African skies the next day. I guaruntieeeee that 10 Kilimanjaro beers taste way better going down than coming back up the next day. At least I made it to the ground before expurgiating a small fortune in suds all over the Ifkara strip. Just a friendly bit of advice... | |||
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surestrike, That is definately some advice from personal experience that we all will heed. | |||
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Were you hunting with Wild footprints or Miombo? | |||
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Were you hunting with Wild footprints or Kilombero North Safaris/Miombo? | |||
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