I just saw this on a news service:

Zimbabwe Leader: U.N. Should Focus On Katrina Victims

POSTED: 9:35 pm CDT September 18, 2005

UNITED NATIONS -- The president of Zimbabwe said the United Nations should worry about Hurricane Katrina victims, not the homeless in his country.

Robert Mugabe said the U.N.'s housing agency, called Habitat, has been silent about what he calls "shocking circumstances of obvious state neglect" surrounding Katrina.

Mugabe said an entire community of mostly non-whites was treated like sacrificial lambs, "deliberately abandoned" to the ravages of the storm.

He told a ministerial meeting of the U.N. General Assembly that America is where Habitat rightly belongs, "not anywhere in Zimbabwe."

Mugabe has been criticized by Habitat and Britain for his land reform policies in Zimbabwe. They've included leaving a reported 700,000 people homeless by demolishing slums.

Mugabe's government has refused Habitat's offer to help homeless victims in a dispute over how many need assistance.

Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

JDs

Man, if that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.

Mugabe is pulling the same Marxist crap that China pulled in the 1950's. More than 30 million people in China starved to death as a result.

500 Grains,
You are right - his starvation program is politically motivated to destroy the Matabele tribe who is originally a Zulu tribe that fled from SA and setteled in Zimbabwe many years ago. The Shonas hate the Matabeles - you could see it as tribalism or racesism - same damn thing. Also, Mugabe only develops the North area where the Shonas live and leave the Matabeles in the South with nothing - the same goes when Zim receives 'aid' food or money.

While the nation is starving and he ordered their homes to be destroyed he stached millions away in a Swiss Account, mainly through money he received from the Kongolese Government for supplying soldiers for their civil war. Let them die and pay me is the motto you just have to perpetuate the notion that it is for a good cause.

When you have spent your creditability with the West, I guess the only way one can turn is to the East - kind of a 180 degree turn. Zim will regret this move in time to come but for the moment is provides relief.

Many SA companies, including mining co's and Banks have withdrawn - the Chinese will rape that country better than any other nation. And they will flood that country with immigrants (lebensraum). One 'commy' raping another.

Chris Bekker

AR Guests /

Am I a fool ( please dont answer that ) or can someone politically clued up please inform me /

Was not Mugabe and many others from Zim's on the US so called banned list !!!

How come he managed to walk into New York and BERATE the USA and it's allies

Does he have some (special priviledge) or does the USA not back up it's own proclamations

OR have I erred in my judgement, is Bush and his government on CRACK or is it me whom needs the rehab

Thanks, Peter

Balla Balla
The same way we let the soviets and the chinse live and work in New York during the cold war.
Mugabe has a diplomatic passport for the UN.
I'm sure North Korea and Iran have there people in New York, along with ervery other anti american country. Including the F!!! Frogs.
Dr B

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Originally posted by Dr B:
Balla Balla
The same way we let the soviets and the chinse live and work in New York during the cold war.
Mugabe has a diplomatic passport for the UN.
I'm sure North Korea and Iran have there people in New York, along with ervery other anti american country. Including the F!!! Frogs.
Dr B

DR B /

Is it time to gets the rules changed or is the USA all smoke and mirrows and what suits the liberals best // sorry to be sarcastic just that it is an outrage to put it mildly if he can sneak in like you say, SURLY the USA has some juridiction over it's own terrotory, or do the DICTATORS rule the roost and thumb their noses to the USA

So if a terrorist managed to get got a diplomatic passport then in theory he could sneak in could he !!

Please can one of our esteemed USA guests with any interst in fair play and national pride ( patriot) please contact their congressman and ASK the QUESTION as it is of national interest I would have thought, or dont others really care

Peter

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Was not Mugabe and many others from Zim's on the US so called banned list !!!

Yes, that is what I thought, too, I thought that they had been banned a couple of years ago. But then the following item was included in one of the ZWNEWS reports that I received a couple of days ago.

and now I am really confused!....



From Reuters, 16 September


US plans to punish Mugabe with travel sanctions


By Sue Pleming


United Nations - The United States plans to slap tough travel sanctions on Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe, members of his government and their extended families, a senior US official said on Friday. The move is aimed at further isolating Mugabe and is a sign of growing US impatience with Zimbabwe, whose relations with the West are at an all-time low because of human rights abuses. US Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer said the US Treasury was putting the final touches to an order that would bar Mugabe, his senior officials and their families from visiting the United States. Travel visas for study purposes would also be affected. "We are continuing to try to call attention to the human rights abuses, that the last election was not fair and that there was not a level playing field there," Frazer, a former US ambassador to South Africa, said on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York. Mugabe has been at the gathering, where he spoke earlier this week. Last month, Washington froze the US assets of 26 Zimbabwean farms and businesses it said were controlled by key members of Mugabe's government, accusing them of undercutting democracy.



I think that someone with a .50 BMG should ban Mugabe from breathing!

Mugabe, criticzing the policies of others?
'Pot this is Kettle, over!'.

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum

quote:

How come he managed to walk into New York and BERATE the USA and it's allies

Does he have some (special priviledge) or does the USA not back up it's own proclamations

OR have I erred in my judgement, is Bush and his government on CRACK or is it me whom needs the rehab

Thanks, Peter

Jesus man get a freaking grip. As home to the United Nations headquarters we are treaty bound to allow ALL member nations access regardless of their current relations with the US government and its allies. Typically the goon squads from countries like Zimbabwe and Venzuela and others are relegated to New York city and its immediate surroundings.

quote:

Originally posted by odie:
[QUOTE]How come he managed to walk into New York and BERATE the USA and it's allies

Does he have some (special priviledge) or does the USA not back up it's own proclamations

OR have I erred in my judgement, is Bush and his government on CRACK or is it me whom needs the rehab

Thanks, Peter

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Jesus man get a freaking grip. As home to the United Nations headquarters we are treaty bound to allow ALL member nations access regardless of their current relations with the US government and its allies. Typically the goon squads from countries like Zimbabwe and Venzuela and others are relegated to New York city and its immediate surroundings.

odie /

So if a terrorist can get a false UN or whatever approved other passport then he friken can enter the surrounds of New York, is that the case by law, or does he have to chopper onto the top of the UN HQ ...

Can you guys in USA not ban the SOB at the port of entry, or is JFK or La Guardia UN territory //

Christ almighty ( excuse the swearing ) but surely with all the legal brains at the USA disposal, cant they work our some legal or illegal plot to keep these swines out off US soil !! or should you guys vote democrat next time

Peter

Peter,

As much as I always appreciate your comments on safari hunting and ranch operations. I find your constant anti-american carping quite tedious.

Maybe these comments belong in the political forum.

Les

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Jesus man get a freaking grip. As home to the United Nations headquarters we are treaty bound to allow ALL member nations access regardless of their current relations with the US government and its allies. Typically the goon squads from countries like Zimbabwe and Venzuela and others are relegated to New York city and its immediate surroundings.

But that still doesn't answer the question of whether there is a ban in place at the moment and, if so, what is this new ban going to do that the previous one hasn't?

LHowell,
What Balla Balla is saying may sound anti-american to you. What he is saying seems to make damn good sense to me.

Jarrod,

While I appreciate that many will agree with the subject matter, his comments of this string and the compiled comments and complaints pronouncing that the US should do this, or should not have done that, are consistently tiresome.

It's just the wrong forum.

Like Peters comments, this is just my opinion.

Les

I don't think we (USA) can keep out the head of a UN member nation (a "throbbing" member). Just like the (dick)head of Iran, they allow them in under "diplomatic" immunity.
Dave

A diplomat in any country (with an official diplomatic passport) can literaly get away with muder in any country. All the host country can do is have him/her removed from the country. Even Arafat could come to the UN meetings. How about we move the UN building to South Africa? I would vote for that. Then we could complain to Balla Balla.

465H&H

Although I did not start this thread I do FULLY agree with LHowell /

It should be posted on the Political Forum, my Apology if my political view on what should be done offends

The Moderator should move the thread, but that is not up to me I am only an AR guest

Thanks, Peter

I have found this thread informative, as to the US ban on Mugabe basically being ineffective as he can travel to New York and the UN HQ when he wishes ie probably with lots of side shopping trips for Grace.

Didn't know that before.

I understand why the UN treaty allows this so am not knocking the USA at all.

I think it would be a shame if some of the African political threads were not allowed on this African hunting forum. Staying abreast of the political climate in a number of African countries is very wise if you intend to hunt there with your eyes open.

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Jesus man get a freaking grip. As home to the United Nations headquarters we are treaty bound to allow ALL member nations access regardless of their current relations with the US government and its allies. Typically the goon squads from countries like Zimbabwe and Venzuela and others are relegated to New York city and its immediate surroundings.

Odie, that's why we should pull out of the UN & let them move the whole shebang to Paris. This entire Mugabe thing is why I hesitate to hunt in Zim.

Gooday all,
As common Knowledge back home amoungst Zimbabweans and SA's Bob and Mbekie have been smackhead partners for years.
There were reports about it in local papers a few years back . For what it's worth.
Axl

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Originally posted by fredj338:

quote:

Jesus man get a freaking grip. As home to the United Nations headquarters we are treaty bound to allow ALL member nations access regardless of their current relations with the US government and its allies. Typically the goon squads from countries like Zimbabwe and Venzuela and others are relegated to New York city and its immediate surroundings.

Odie, that's why we should pull out of the UN & let them move the whole shebang to Paris. This entire Mugabe thing is why I hesitate to hunt in Zim.

I am not sure why we have the UN here in the USA anyway. We certainly aren't neutral, are we? I move we send the UN headquarters to a really neutral country, say Switzerland. Along with this move would come a slight reduction in our contribution to their income.

I concur, whole heartly, with fredj338. The UN hasn't got the best interest of any true democracy at heart. I believe that, in view of the effort on their part to enact a world wide ban on the private ownership of firearms, that we should withdraw from the UN and kick their sorry backsides out to whatever anti-US nation will take them. We are still the major financial contributor to their efforts to see that we become a third world nation. Sorry, if you culdn't tell, I hate the UN, not for what they allegedlt stand for but for what they actually do.

What are you guys complaining about??? The Klu Klux Klan has just named Bob as their "Man of the Millenium" . He has certainly killed more blacks than the voortrekers, the pioneer corps, the RLI and selous scouts combined

Too right mate!!! Pitty the scouts could not do one more mission.
Keith