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Let me state right off I'm a life long archer an always will be. I saw a show called Maximun Archery where they're doing a 40 day tour called " Big Five", in this episode they hunted cape buffalo in South Africa. Where or which ranch I know not but the company whom set up the hunt was Limcroma Safaris. The bulls were anything but wild as a matter of fact they were following the hunters around on the road an after sending some of the hunting party onward the 2 PH and the archer stepped off the road an shot as the bulls walked past. Then the PHs had to chase the remaining bulls away from the road so thebull could be recovered. I've hunted buffalo enough to see a red herring when shown one. To depict this as anything but a game farm kill is an outrage. | ||
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The proliferation of "hunting shows" has seem to made things like this fairly common. I can hardly watch any as they are so "misrepresented" White Mountains Arizona | |||
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It sure does make it easier for the "hunter" when the animals just follow the truck around waiting to be fed. What an EMBARASSMENT that show is! "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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Please do not lump us all together. By the way, I agree with the original post. All the DG is South Africa, All will be fenced. Shame. Dave Fulson | |||
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+1. I saw that program this morning too. Pathetic.  "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." Tanzania 2012: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/8331015971 Saskatoon, Canada 2013: http://forums.accuratereloadin...4121043/m/7171030391 Las Pampas, Argentina 2014: http://forums.accuratereloadin...4107165/m/1991059791 | |||
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I remember Gary Bogner shooting a buffalo in SA out of the back of a truck with his bow on video.......good times.....  Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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After you feed the buffalo from the truck for awhile, they learn to follow it for treats. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Well, if that's the case - its unfortunate! More so that its on national television, as an example of buffalo "hunting" in Africa. But don't forget, guys like those at Safari Classics are producing "quality" shows, that depict African hunting in its true form(TRULY WILD) Give those shows your support, and can the rest of em - that's what I say. | |||
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the more archery shows i see, the more i regret ever having picked up a bow | |||
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Yep, I remember that too. Disgraceful. Paul Smith SCI Life Member NRA Life Member DSC Member Life Member of the "I Can't Wait to Get Back to Africa" Club DRSS I had the privilege to fire E. Hemingway's WR .577NE, E. Keith's WR .470NE, & F. Jamieson's WJJ .500 Jeffery I strongly recommend avoidance of "The Zambezi Safari & Travel Co., Ltd." and "Pisces Sportfishing-Cabo San Lucas" "A failed policy of national defense is its own punishment" Otto von Bismarck | |||
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Question??? How is the average hunter or causal TV watcher supposed to know the difference between a GOOD and BAD show? If you have never been to Africa, would you know the difference, or care, whether this was high fence in RSA or the wilds of Mozambique? Most hunting show viewers I would bet are clueless and believe whatever the show host tells them. Also a GOOD show to some is a BAD show to others. Maybe some of the so called GOOD show folks on here could include in their prelude, "This is a GOOD show"? That should do it.  Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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I pray the casual TV watcher stays the hell away from 95 percent of the crap on the Sportsman and Outdoor channels. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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I was thinking the same thing. How does the average joe know the difference? Obviously there is no internal self regulating in the video industry. Sad White Mountains Arizona | |||
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Agree with that 100%! | |||
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Larry you've been around long enough to know the difference. But any hunter whom sees "wild" game that follows the hunter around on the road an must be shooed away after you shoot one of their herd members should know the difference too. | |||
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But just how much worse is that buffalo hunt than the videos/TV show where some yahoo is running around squealing like a piglet with delight, high-fiving everyone in sight, and just generally acting like an immature, deranged teenager? ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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All good posts ..... I especially like Will's comment. Most of these TV shows make me sick. Not just boring & inaccurate, but mostly just BS creating an opportunity for idiots to sell outdoor gadgets. ____________________________ .470 & 9.3X74R Chapuis' Tikka O/U 9.3X74R Searcy Classics 450/.400 3" & .577 C&H .375 2 1/2" Krieghoff .500 NE Member Dallas Safari Club | |||
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Amen to all the posts. One of the shows I absolutely refuse to watch under any circumstances is that "Jimmy Big Time" What a bozo. | |||
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No kidding; I'd almost rather watch an Obama campaign speech. It sure is getting harder to separate the wheat from the chaff on the "good ol' boy channels." Luckily, there are a few good one available, one just has to wade through the crap at times. _____________________ A successful man is one who earns more money than his wife can spend. | |||
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yea but i bet it completed some sort of SCI outer circle/ inner glow award. Gary has long been a mainstay with SCI's bowhunting awards fraternity.check their record book and you see what i mean. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I am glad to see that I'm not the only one who finds wild yelling, leaping and high-fiving disturbing, after somebody has just taken the life of an animal. I do understand a quiet grin, a quiet handshake, and quiet, humble admiration of the animal. | |||
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We get a sort of package on the sattelite channel. Only The Outdoor Channel is shown. And sadly, what is shown on that channel as "hunting" shows do not put us in a very favourable light. In fact, I have given up watching those silly shows they have on there. The archery shows are some of the worst. They look more like a Hollywood make believe than an actual hunting show. | |||
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I am glad to see that I'm not the only one who finds wild yelling, leaping and high-fiving disturbing, after somebody has just taken the life of an animal. I do understand a quiet grin, a quiet handshake, and quiet, humble admiration of the animal.[/QUOTE definitely +1 | |||
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All REAL hunters are put off by those antics. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times. | |||
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I agree completely. Not only is it ridiculously childish & incredibly bad taste but it also doesn't do us any favours in the eyes of the non hunting public. | |||
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Archery shows are not alone in this but sadly they do own the larger portion. Yet as disgusting as hunting semi or tame animals is they've found yet another way to produce vomit. That is the use of attractive girlfriends and wives to sell their shows to the horn dog younger crowd of fist pumpers. | |||
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2th doc, Do you still have your show? Tom Addleman tom@dirtnapgear.com | |||
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What I see is a dead give away is The PH's are not carrying a firearm, in many cases the only person who has a weapon is the hunter?. Seems everyone knows except the hunter that it is a fish in the bowl shoot. Another giveaway is the concrete watering troughs and the concrete blinds, almost a production line for slaughtering animals. I one time made the mistake of watching some blonde female hunter go after a heavily maned lion, should have figured it out the cat was sunny itself in an open area, where was its pride plus the PH didn't have a rifle and latter admitted it was released a week or two earlier and should be considered wild since it didn't starve. To many sponsors willing to spend money to entice somebody to buyt their products, thank the TV companies with the option to block channels
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I thought from some of the other threads on here that "As long as it is legal it is alright"? I believe Saeed has said that several times. I don't believe that they violated any SA laws. 465H&H | |||
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The kept referring to being hunted by the buff. If that had been the case they would have been charged. Obviously, these buff were used to getting a tasty handout from the truck and were looking for another. | |||
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Still have the tapes but too much work an time is required until I am fully retired. Thanks for asking, but do not mistake my shows for that drivel if it isn't wild I do not hunt it an if you ever saw the show you know that. | |||
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I don't see it as illegal just another method of selling guaranteed hunts, I guess it is what the payer wants.Alot of it is going on in this country with elk deer bison and exotics. Simple economics, raise a cow or raise an Elk, which will sell for a higher price. The authorities recently busted up a ring not far from where I live that was selling lions and tigers, most where bought at legitimate exotic animals auctions but the animals where shot in the cages. NRA Life Member, ILL Rifle Assoc Life Member, Navy | |||
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A lot of good posts on this thread. One reason to watch some of the "bad shows", (other than an excuse for an extra drink), is to be well informed when the topic of hunting ethics comes up. This is especially true with the non-hunting bunch. I watched the show and thought it rather odd behavior for buffalo. | |||
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Dave, I'm saying this with a lot of respect for you, what you have achieved and what you do for the hunting industry. Please do take note that South Africa DOES have really wild DG hunting, for Elephant, Buffalo and Leopard. They do cost a pretty penny but they are the real deal. Yes, it is not Zim or Moz (I have hunted both these countries, and still work in Moz) but it has its place in the hunting world, and should be supported as an important part of nature conservation through hunting. The video is a shame. In good hunting, Charl van Rooyen Owner Infinito Travel Group www.infinito-safaris.com charl@infinito-safaris.com Cell: +27 78 444 7661 Tel: +27 13 262 4077 Fax:+27 13 262 3845 Hereford Street 28A Groblersdal 0470 Limpopo R.S.A. "For the Infinite adventure" Plains Game Dangerous Game Bucket List Specialists Wing-Shooting In House Taxidermy Studio In House Dip and Pack Facility In House Shipping Service Non-Hunting Tours and Safaris Flight bookings "I promise every hunter visiting us our personal attention from the moment we meet you, until your trophies hang on your wall. Our all inclusive service chain means you work with one person (me) taking responsibility during the whole process. Affordable and reputable Hunting Safaris is our game! With a our all inclusive door to door service, who else do you want to have fun with?" South Africa Tanzania Uganda | |||
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Dear Charl Of course you are correct. I have hunted South Africa in just about every province and have had some wonderful adventures in this fine hunting country. My statement was a bit broad, and not meant to insult what are mostly fine outfitters in SA. As of late, there have been a blizzard of DG hunts from SA that were obviously fenced, with very tame acting game, where lion and buff have been shot,or arrowed in most cases, by a "hunter" surrounded by a throng of people that then claimed a "brush with death" situation. As a producer who specializes in DG hunting under true free range conditions, this gets under my skin ONLY when neither the outfitter or producer fess up to the true circumstance of the hunt. I have zero problem with a game fence hunt done properly and have said so a million times. But the DG stuff of late has really got under my skin when it is passed off as " the real deal" Thanks for your post, it was correct in every regard. Cheers Dave Dave Fulson | |||
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2thdoc, Limcroma Safaris http://www.limcroma.com/ http://www.limcroma.com/bowhunting.htm (Hannes on the left of bow hunting photo) is owned by Hannes Els with whom I have hunted plains game and I consider him a friend of mine and my family. In my experience, Hannes is a fine man and ethical Outfitter and Professional Hunter. I did not see the archery video that you reference as I have no time for any of those hunting shows, however I do not doubt what you say. May I suggest that you just stop by the Limcroma booth at the DSC or SCI shows and ask Hannes about the archery show/hunt. He has exhibited at these shows for many years. He is the tall nice looking blond young man and you will find him to be the perfect gentleman when you meet him. I will see him in Dallas again this coming January and will also ask him about the show you have reported upon. Good hunting. NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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He may be a fine ethical man I do not know him nor have I used his company, I do not question that. Also I know it is legal in RSA to do game farm "Big five" hunts behind fence an do not question that. But what insulted me an should insult every hunter of truly wild buffalo was the tameness of these 5 bulls whom were refered to as "Black Death' in the video several times. What I saw of the bulls looked like barnyard herfords following the hay truck. | |||
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Thanks Dave!  Charl van Rooyen Owner Infinito Travel Group www.infinito-safaris.com charl@infinito-safaris.com Cell: +27 78 444 7661 Tel: +27 13 262 4077 Fax:+27 13 262 3845 Hereford Street 28A Groblersdal 0470 Limpopo R.S.A. "For the Infinite adventure" Plains Game Dangerous Game Bucket List Specialists Wing-Shooting In House Taxidermy Studio In House Dip and Pack Facility In House Shipping Service Non-Hunting Tours and Safaris Flight bookings "I promise every hunter visiting us our personal attention from the moment we meet you, until your trophies hang on your wall. Our all inclusive service chain means you work with one person (me) taking responsibility during the whole process. Affordable and reputable Hunting Safaris is our game! With a our all inclusive door to door service, who else do you want to have fun with?" South Africa Tanzania Uganda | |||
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