i very much enjoy watching shockey's show, world of beretta, as well as tracks across africa and the shows that are a bit more "mature." as a 31 year old northwestern native, much of the southern good ol' boy schtick is pretty grating. i agree about the loud music and fancy cut work being a bit much for me. i dont much watch the sitting in a tree over a food plot/feeder/pen shows, but i know that a lot of whitetail hunters do just that to kill giant bucks. to me, horn size is nice, but they're hard to digest.

sorry, i'm a bit rambly tonight!

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Originally posted by Bill C:
You'll want to turn your speakers up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrUlb3G-b6E

Stay classy Colt.

Why do I feel like my IQ just dropped 10 points?

The influence won't be complete unless grits are served at some point.

Its a generation thing.

Those young people grew up with video games and TV shows that glorify the kill (man or beast). I don't think they feel or understand
what they just did. I think thats why the murder rate is so high now days.

There is "Southern" and there is "The Deep South". Having grown up in New Orleans any one north of Baton Rouge are Yankees, west of Lafayette are rednecks. We don't know what to make of anyone east of Mississippi. Don't take offense ,it does not mean we don't like you or think less of you, its just different. if you thing we are dumb explain why there are more millionaires down here per capita than most of the nation.

A lot of this video stuff is put on just to be different. It started with that guy kissing bass before throwing them back.

JD

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I don't necessarily apprecite the displays of excitment shown on some of the hunting shows any more than the childish dispalys shown by professional football players. But, then, I was taught by my parents and reinforced by the army to keep my damn mouth shut and be thought a fool rathr than open it and remove all doubt.

+1 on that!

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Boy, I tell you what, there are some uptight old bastards around this place. I'm gonna have to go with Tim Herald on this one. You can damn well bet if I make that stalk, that shot and take that trophy animal I've been waiting for all my life, there's gonna be some celebration.

Agreed...but I think a big smile...pat on the back or hand shake would suffice!

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get kids interested in our heritage and sport. Let me tell you, it ain't crusty old codgers looking down their noses at them.

It was for me!

Antlers, do you know the difference between a Yankee and a Damn Yankee.

The Yankee goes home!!

It was nice meeting you in Dallas.

On another note I hate the term Redneck as applied today. The true redneck was a sharecropper working hard in the fields to eck out a living for his family.

+1 on this. Nobody is saying that congrats aren't in order but giant fistpumps aren't the way to go.

I do not like the "good old boy" approach and how the Southern hunters portray themselves and southerners on these shows. I have been on the "genteel" quail hunts with gentlemen and never see that kind of behavour. "The Bone Collector", the two idiots that ar not southerners that bow hunter in Africa on the Bushnell show, Jackie Bushman and several others portray hunters at morons when in reality, if you can afford a guided elk hunt or a trip to Africa, you have a little more class and money than a textbook redneck.

The bearded inbred idiots (Duck Commandos?) are nearly the worst of the lot. If one of them came near me, I would move off and call the police.

Hunting is a privilege, not a right (IMO) and you should act and behave with respect to others and to the sport. I appreciate golf in that apsect. I do not like the tatooed thug football and basketball "pros" for that reason.

Mojo,
I like what you put out as well as Boddinton and Shockey.

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Of course, if we want proper hunting music, given my way it'd be Hank Sr, Hank Snow, Bob Wills, Jimmie Rodgers, Ferlin Husky, Johnny Cash, Johnny Horton, Marty Robbins, Ray Price, Jim Reeves, Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins, David Allan Coe, etc etc...

Amen Shack!!! We are new best friends! Especially a little Bob Wills!!!

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When one has just taken Life for one's own pleasure, a little respect is due to the animal. Whoopin' and hollerin' and bullshit don't convey much respect, and most of us Southerners wouldn't condone it in our children.

Absolutely 1st rate comment here.

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I don't think that the whooping it up and "gratuitous celebration" are a southern thing either. I suspect its a younger generation thing. I'm not that old, and the behavior you see on these shows are typical of athletics as they are played now, and when I was in high school, doing most of this would have gotten you suspended from the team.

1+ again!

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OK.. I admit it's not my style either but like x2mosg said: "It's guys like Waddell and several of the others that excite kids."

But in the wrong way which is just as bad!

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There are only two kinds of people, just as there are only two kinds of music or anything else.

Good and bad.

Life is all about learning to tell the difference.

MR

Wow!!! MR, I actually agree with you on something! 1+

IMO the only shows worth watching are shows with Craig, Shockey, Steve West, Epedition safari, or Dangerous game, anything else, I'm not watching.

Too cheesy crap...(especially whitetail deer shows) to much product talk in the show...thats what commercials are for! A camera shot of Ruger or Swarovski is one thing, but 18 minutes of bullshit products and 3 minutes of hunting in a 30 minute time frame is ridiculus.

I love their music, but Ferlin, Ray, Jerry Lee and David Allen Coe, now talk about leting it all hang out. I was suprised you didn't mention Jr. I didn't know there was music other than country until I was a teenager.

The best I have had when hunting is South Carolina was going out in the afternoon for the evening hunt and the guide said we''ll stop by and get a "picnic - sausage biscut and RC Cola for the afterfnoon".

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I didn't know there was music other than country until I was a teenager.

You mean there is???!!!!!

I think Moja's point here (and I hate to speak for him, because I might be wrong) is that we need to be more inclusive. This is one thing I am passionate about. We need to make hunting more than a Southern white guy thing.

Things are getting better. I watched Warren Strickland shoot a caribou this weekend on one of the outdoor shows. And more and more females are showing up on TV.

As for guys who think the South is a bunch of hicks, well, go visit Research Triangle in North Carolina. Or visit some of the high tech companies in FL. Just don't go to Alabama. Just kidding.

AZ, I know you're just kidding with that last remark, but you might want to do a search on Huntsville, AL. That's where space travel originated for us, pretty much.

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we need to be more inclusive.

Absolutely...but in a way we can ALL be proud of!

I was all ready to post and go the "no division" route until I watched Bill C's video.

Geez that's awful. I may have to change my mind.

My overall approach to the "southern style" shows is to simply change the channel.

It looks to me like we have a consensus here. Many of the hunting shows need to cut the theatrics and act more natural.

Now, since the South allegedly has got something to do with all this...

It's Hank Sr for me. Everyone knows Jr is a big time hunter but his dad's music and style does it for me. And it just happens I have a distant relative who was his road manager (so I'm told). Anyway, in the South it's not unknown for the question to come up regarding which Hank one prefers. Of course, many take the easy way out and claim to like 'um both.

Here's a little test for those who are Southerners for real or at heart..who was the Singing Brakeman, Singing Ranger, Texas Troubador, Queen Of Country Music, First Lady Of Country Music and the Coal Miner's Daughter? No fair looking it up now.

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Here's a little test for those who are Southerners for real or at heart..who was the Singing Brakeman, Singing Ranger, Texas Troubador, Queen Of Country Music, First Lady Of Country Music and the Coal Miner's Daughter? No fair looking it up now.

Some I know and others a guess...

Jimmie Rodgers ?, Gene Autry?, Ernest Tubb!, Dolly Parton?, Tammy Wynette?, Loretta Lynn!

Do a little research and find out what redneck really stands for. You may be surprised. There is quite a history.

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Originally posted by impala#03:
Do a little research and find out what redneck really stands for. You may be surprised. There is quite a history.

Blue-collar white-man that worked outside.

If I lived in the US, it would be south of the Mason Dixon line, yeeha!!

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Originally posted by x2mosg:
Boy, I tell you what, there are some uptight old bastards around this place. I'm gonna have to go with Tim Herald on this one. You can damn well bet if I make that stalk, that shot and take that trophy animal I've been waiting for all my life, there's gonna be some celebration. If you can't enjoy hunting, and you don't celebrate success, then why bother. Let's face it folks, none of us here are hunting to feed our families. We're damn sure not going to Africa to bring home the proverbial bacon. I understand the deal with the anti's, but apeasement gets you nowhere. Letting the slimy bastards dictate how we express emotion is a step in the wrong direction. What we need to be talking about is what we're gonna do to get kids interested in our heritage and sport. Let me tell you, it ain't crusty old codgers looking down their noses at them. It's guys like Waddell and several of the others that excite kids. It's the music they like, not that damn elevator music I got the feeling some of you may migrate toward. If these folks are what it takes to build our ranks, then damn the torpedoes. Involvement is what will save our sport, not appeasement of the anti's.

And as Gazi said, what's up with all this division? Someone always wants to bring up something like this that divides instead of bringing us together. It's like when I use to shoot trap. The skeet shooters at our club hated us "redneck" trapshooters. I finally had enough and told the old curmudgeons that they needed to wise up, put aside the division, and stand with all their shooting "friends" and show some unity or we'll all be without the "right" to do what we all so dearly love.

Come on folks, keep an open mind and look at the real issues that the hunting community faces. That would be dwindling numbers in our ranks.

Stepping off the soapbox now. Oh, BTW, I am a redneck and a hick. And damned proud to be.

David Walker

Damn right.

I was born and raised in Alabama, and matured in Tennessee and Georgia. I gained my lifelong love of hunting from my father, a public school administator with two Masters Degrees who was from a tiny town in the mountain country of northeast Alabama. I just wish he was still aroundto have witnessed the stalk we put on that buffalo in Tanzania last July. The heritage he bequeathed to me is intact.

The PH and I laughed and shook hands at the death bellow, because it had taken us 40 minutes to move 30 yards and it was a relief of tension and mutual congratulations on a great experience.

I'm not a "redneck." That term was once complimentary, referring to a hard working farmer who struggled with a hand plow behind a mule in rocky ground all day, whose neck got red from sunburn. An honest, honorable, hard-working man. I'm not exactly sure what a redneck is, now, but the term transitioned during the last 35 years or so to one that has derogatory connotations.

I lived in South Florida for 36 years and wandered all over the world and don't ever recall being discriminated against because I came from th southeasten US. Duke University Medical School is right up there with Harvard, and there are many fine Universities in the south, turning out well educated young people. The south is the center of industrial production in the country, such as it is, and those from the rust belt who look down their noses at southeners do so from a position of very evident weakness.

I was based in Chicago and I married a girl from Brooklyn. I've never had any problems with being discriminated against by anyone from those latitudes.

The TV hunting shows are less entertainment than 30 minute commercials and I don't watch them any more because I despise their crass commercialism. Waddell comes across as somewhat ignorant on camera, but I'd wager he is making more money that the majority of posters on this board. If he brings more young people into this sport, whose average participant's age is well over 40, then more power to him. His style is not mine. I still open the door for women and say "ma'am" to women I am doing business with. That's how I was raised. I try to be gentelmanly in my pursuits and treat everyone who deserves it with respect. My father taught me that, as well.

So I don't sweat it. Someone doesn't like me because I am a Southern man, then, to paraphrase Lynard Skynard, "this Southern Man don't need him around, anyhow."

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I have met many Southern Gentlemen but I can't help but think they are a dying breed. It is almost as if the past couple generations think they can borrow this image and hard work from previous generations while not maintaining the standard themselves.

As someone born in the heart of Dixie - Mobile, Alabama - and having not only lived most of my life in the south, but residing now in South Carolina, I can assure you that gentility and good manners were the lifeblood of the southern lifestyle for many years. Unfortunately here, as in much of the world, crass and self-centered behavior has become celebrated and encouraged.

True southern gentleman and ladies still exist.

I cringe whenever national television networks choose some trailer-dwelling hick to interview any time there is a weather event or major news story here in the south. Invariably, they portray us all as illiterate. They never interview someone like myself who holds a Master's degree, uses proper grammar, and pronounces all (well, most words correctly.

Please trust me that the "end zone dances" performed by some of the southern hunters seen on TV and video are not reflective of the behavior of us all. I promise that if you were to hunt with the southern ladies and gentlemen that I am privileged to know, your experience would be one of respect and civility.

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Please trust me that the "end zone dances" performed by some of the southern hunters seen on TV and video are not reflective of the behavior of us all. I promise that if you were to hunt with the southern ladies and gentlemen that I am privileged to know, your experience would be one of respect and civility.

Absolutely.

I think it is a backward way of thinking to associate idiocy to a regional culture. I am of the "younger" generation of the South and my hunting companions and I share a deep reverence for the game that we hunt. Certainly, there are individuals within the South that do not maintain the proper air of respect during and after a hunt, but they are in no way representative of the culture. These people exist everywhere. It would be equally wrong to say that Britons have negatively influenced safari hunting because everyone and their dog (there goes that Southern influence again) thinks that they can buy their way into being a hunter. My whole point is that we must think of people as individuals, and that every-time we isolate a single individual and believe that he or she is representative of an entire culture, we are making a grievous error.

... by the way, Warren Strickland is a cardiologist here in Huntsville, Alabama.

...and David Hulme, you can be an honorary Southerner any day in my book !!!
Andy

Thank you ghostbird, thank you kindly sir. Though I seem to get on well with most Americans, I am particularly comfortable in the company of southern people, or southern thinking people, of whom it seems there are many in the north. Bearing in mind that my exposure to American folk is limited to hunters/outdoor types. I like that it's limited to that sort.
I would return the favor but don't know how happy you'd be about being an honorary Zimbo! ha ha ha. Ah, what the hell, you are one as of now. All of you are and if anyone challenges that, tell them David Hulme bestowed the honor upon you for helping us to get through the most challenging period of our country's history. Oh yes, almost forgot we are not through it yet.... We'll get there though, with much thanks to all of you who have hunted/are going to hunt here. Salutations to you all, and for those who are attending, have a good time at SCI.

Cheers, David

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:

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Please trust me that the "end zone dances" performed by some of the southern hunters seen on TV and video are not reflective of the behavior of us all. I promise that if you were to hunt with the southern ladies and gentlemen that I am privileged to know, your experience would be one of respect and civility.

Absolutely.

I agree, but the problem is that these moronic shows have become so prevalent that, I believe, anti-hunters have been very sucessful in using them to paint us all with the same brush.

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My whole point is that we must think of people as individuals, and that every-time we isolate a single individual and believe that he or she is representative of an entire culture, we are making a grievous error.

That is quite apropos on Martin Luther King, Jr's day of observance here in the US. I do believe that was Rev. King's whole point.

David... thank you sir, I consider it an honor !
Andy

Lhook7... love your tag line

People get excited in different ways. I get excited when I finish a hunt, but don't think for a second it is disrespectful of the game to celebrate. I don't start yelling "BIG BUCK DOWN!! BBD, B----B----D!" like the lakoskis, but I also don't think they are being disrespectful. Look at it this way, when a friend or family member dies, is it better to brood over their death or celebrate their life? Hunting seems to take a different dynamic when you are with other people. When I am in a stand and shoot a deer, by myself, it usually takes a little while to collect my thoughts before getting out of the stand and again when I get to the animal. Remember that tingly feeling you get after taking an animal, the lump in your throat and butterflies in your chest and stomach? I get it bad! When I'm in a flooded timber duck hunting with friends it's different. When we drop a couple ducks out of the flight there's a lot of back slapping, laughing and ribbing over missed shots. I don't see that as disrespectful at all.
As far as class goes, I'm sorry to read (I admit I may be reading into what isn't there) that some think class is somehow linked to education and economic status. I know some poor old black men in the Mississippi delta that have more class, pride and intelligence than money can buy or Harvard can teach. I'm 30 years old, spent half my childhood in south Louisiana, then moved to Chicago, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Mississippi and now live back in Tennessee. That said, I think I have some perspective of the north/south issue. My conclusion is that everywhere you go people are the same. The one difference that I did notice is that up north the different cultures seem segregated. There is a chinese part of town, black part of town, polock part of town, puerto rican part of town, etc. and each part of town or area has their own customs. In the south, we have one one culture..the "southern" culture and you are likely to go to a cookout with doctors, lawyers and college professors mingling amongst contractors, blue collar workers, kids and geezers.

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Originally posted by x2mosg:
AZ, I know you're just kidding with that last remark, but you might want to do a search on Huntsville, AL. That's where space travel originated for us, pretty much.

One of my customers is not too far from Huntsville. That Saturn V rocket is awesome!

You know I was kidding. My point is there are plenty of high tech things going on in the South.

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Originally posted by David Hulme:
Though I seem to get on well with most Americans, I am particularly comfortable in the company of southern people, or southern thinking people, of whom it seems there are many in the north. Cheers, David

David,
Just last week I told some folks, your brother and Labat included, that Southerners and Zimbos were able to get along so well because they are very like minded people of like standards, customs, and manners. If the Zimbos all came to the USA, they would ultimately settle south of the Mason Dixon line and would become rednecks and good ol boys. I meant this as a compliment when I said it and that is how they took it.

FWIW, I include myself in the redneck and good ol boy classification. I have a farm, a big barn, a green tractor, and a truck. But I also have a law degree, a good income, and all of my teeth. I'm country and I embrace it.

However, As far as alot of these TV shows are concerned, they are just bad TV. These guys think anybody with a DV cam can climb a tree and video a bow kill of a 100" whitetail. Top that off with bad grammar (if I hear one more guy say "we seen these deer", UGH!!!), lots of slang, no production, no story line, no training, and no talent, and you have bad TV every time.

I blame it on Larry the Cable Guy and Foxworthy. These guys made millions on the dumb country schtick. Now, everybody thinks it's a ticket to the big time.

My $.02

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
One of my customers is not too far from Huntsville. That Saturn V rocket is awesome!

HSV is 40 minutes from where I sit right now. It's also where I went to buy my teeth.