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I am considering having a new rifle built. I have had a look at various calibres the two that I quite like are the 495 A square and the 450 Rimless Rigby. I however would like to get into contact with Individuals that have hunted with these calibres or own them. I have heard various rumours and would appreciate any information that will assist me in my decision. Dries | ||
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Is the 450 rimless Rigby is the same as what we call a 450 Rigby or is it different? If it is the same, The 450 Dakota and 450 Rigby are twins, for all practical purposes. I have taken 4 Buffalo with a 450 Dakota. I can confidently say that is a super round. | |||
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Hi Wendell, Thanks for the response. Yes they are the similar. Did you have your rifle custom built and by who? Kind regards Dries Dries@zululandhunters.com | |||
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Yep, I had it custom made. I bought a CZ 550 in 458 win mag, back when they were $650 I sent it to the 'smith and gave him $200 to ream it out to a 450 Dakota. Poof, $850 + shipping later, I had me a po' boy .450 Dakota! If I had it to do over, I would make a 450 Rigby, simply because the Rigby name has some nostalgia, and, like the Dakota, I also can't afford a Rigby.  | |||
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Dries, PM me your telephone number, I am happy to phone you and discuss the .450 Rigby with you. BTW, one of my PH's started to use a 500 A square this year, while I have used my .450 Rigby since the turn of the century.... (always wanted to say that!) You might have read it when it first appeared, but here is a link to the article I wrote for Magnum on the .450 Rigby. http://www.huntingsafaris.net/pdf/reloadingtherigby450rimless.pdf Karl Stumpfe Ndumo Hunting Safaris www.huntingsafaris.net karl@huntingsafaris.net P.O. Box 1667, Katima Mulilo, Namibia Cell: +264 81 1285 416 Fax: +264 61 254 328 Sat. phone: +88 163 166 9264 | |||
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Would not a properly built .458 LOTT do just as well for the intended purpose as a a 450 Rigby/Dakota, {using components that are far more available, and with brass that is clearly less costly}? .495 A-Square is a distinct step up in power. Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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Hello Big 5, You can shoot a 500 grain bullet at a pretty good speed from a 450 Rigby at much lower pressures than from a 458 Lott. Yes, there may be little practical difference, but the large case of the Rigby/Dakota offers more options for velocity. Someone explained to me once that" You can run a small engine at top rpm and achieve the same horsepower as a larger engine at a moderate and more conservative rpm." | |||
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All TRUE. I've just never heard of any man who's said "for a .458 caliber the LOTT failed to cut it"... Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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Also true!  | |||
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All the submissions have merit. Being a PH one is exposed to numerous variations and opinions. I do all my own reloading so the ammunition is not a problem. I appreciate the comment. I have looked at numerous designs and the pro's and con's of each. I am looking for something different hence the two calibres stated. I have been able to obtain valuable information on the 450 Rigby. I am still interested in the 495 A squared but need actual field experience information. Dries | |||
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Interesting that no one has come forward with field experiences with the .495, but with factory ballistics of a 570 grain slug @2400+fps, it doesn't seem to lag too far behind it's slightly longer cased bretheren (500 A-Square and 510 Wells). I would tend to think field performance would tend to mirror that of the two previously mentioned rounds as well as the 500 Jeffrey. | |||
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One factor to consider is that the .500 A-Square is easier to reload than the .495. There's also more reloading data available. Just a thought analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
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450 rigby or rimless rigby is the same round. Invented in 1996, and you can buy a CZ in it 495 A2 is the same capacity as my 500 AR, except it's longer. about 130 grains of h2o capacity for both, the AR has less taper. However, the 458 Lott, in a bedded and bolted CZ, is about the perfect DGR for all around use jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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