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Somebody's been smoking crack.... This FACTORY NEW Magnum Research revolver is in the caliber that kills more elephants than any other each year: the 444 Marlin. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=36823384 | ||
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 .444 on elefant? Someone out there is psychotic... | |||
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that rubbish should be erased thankfully 99% of most african hunter know more than to use such a peice of shit on game such as elephant i wounder who the dumbass is who wrote that garbage. | |||
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I had a JDJ "hand-cannon" in 444 marlin (14" contender). It was definitely a cannon, but it was not an elephant gun. | |||
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Why do people think that a oversize handgun will out perform a 416 Rem, 458 Lott, or a 450 #2 ...Ballistics don't even come close to a full size barrel... A good analogy I will hit your hand with a hammer and your other hand with a sledge hammer Mike | |||
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" Big game hunters pay $10,000 or more for a custom 444 Marlin rifle, and this revolver was made as a backup for “dangerous game,†from lions to polar bears, and yes, even elephants." Which one of you "hunters" spent $10,000 on a custom 444 marlin rifle lately?? The price of knowledge is great but the price of ignorance is even greater. | |||
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Here comes the handgun hunter bashing. I agree that a 444 is not a suitable caliber for elephant, but there are several handgun calibers that are. ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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Mike , what are the ballistics on the 450 #2? Just curious, as I'm not familiar with that caliber. Thanks ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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Tembo, I agree with everything you posted above except for the word "SUITABLE"! Some handguns are ADIQUATE for Elephant, under absolutely perfect conditions. However I don't believe any handgun is SUITABLE for Elephant on it's own! Certainly not one chambered for 444 Marlin!  Tembo, I don't think that is handgun bashing, I have hunted big game with handguns for years, and have taken some very large animals with handguns, so I'm not prone to downing handgun hunting. However, what guys like the one trying to sell that 444 is, try to place handguns in a place where they are not suitable, and do not belong. Anyone who makes the statement that there is something worth $10K, chambered for 444 Marlin, that take more elephant every year than any other cartridge in the world, is simply either a bald faced liar, or just plain stumpid, no other way to say it!   ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Whoever the seller is needs better looking models. Jason "Chance favors the prepared mind." | |||
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I've taken craps that were more attractive than that chick. | |||
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She may not be the equivelent of a H&H ROYAL, but I'd have a lot more use for her than the oversize deer shooter she's holding!   ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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I sent them an email thanking them for giving my such a laugh!  Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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 You guys are a hard bunch!!! IF you stay in America, and hunt in America, what he says MAY just be true!!!! Not relevant, but true!!! Sacred cows make the best burgers. Good Shooting! | |||
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I have a question for you folks who do hunt with handguns... I often carry a .30 Herrrett T/C with a 10" barrel instead of a rifle when walking my property... I don't even notice that it's in a shoulder holster... but.. ... that dang revolver has to weigh as much as many lightweight rifles. To carry it as a "back up", you'd need help even getting out of your truck... What does the thing weigh? I guess you could use it as a crutch if you sprained your ankle or something... Maybe you could lay it across a ditch and get across without getting wet?? I don't carry "back up" handguns... but if I did, at least on this continent, my cheap Tarus .41 mag in some kind of "weighless" alloy is basically forgetable... and it shoots a 210 grain flatnose "solid" at 1310 fps.. about all I can shoot and still hold on to the darn thing. I'm of the opinion that if it's too much trouble to tote, I'll leave it in camp, and while the subject gun may be a fine primary hunting tool, as a "back up"... I just don't know how I could unholster the bugger in time to do any good. I'd guess that drawing a antique Scotsman's claymore would be about as fast and effective? It just seems impracticable because of weight, length and the necessity to shoot it with both hands... Not to mention that a .444 would have to shoot a 400 grain bullet (at a velocity that never could be achieved with a handgun barrel) to get the penetration required for any assurety of getting through an elephants 'noggin or even to both lungs/heart. Look at the post that our own Miss Ann just wrote. She thought she had a "simple" side brain shot and it immediately turned into a throught-the-trunk "emergency". I just kind of like the classic .300 sectional density and over 2100 fps. If it worked for J.A. Hunter, I'll stick with it. Am I wrong? JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Judge To answer your first question- The BFR revolver weighs a shade over 4 pounds. Like you said, definately not a backup gun. The biggest problem with the 444 IMHO is that one has to use bullets designed for the 44 magnum-not a whole lot of decent big game bullets there. I have a TC Encore handgun that is chambered in the .416 GNR. It will put a 400 grain bullet out at 2100 FPS from a 16" BBL. There is also a 450 GNR that puts out a 458 caliber bullet at 2150 FPS. Very close to the 458 Win. Mag but in a handgun configuration, too. ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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JudgeG, I hunted for several years with a 44 RM, it was about as much as I liked for recoil and noise. The 444 is what the 44 RM should have been, slight download for casual use! While hunting with it, I carried a 22, a 10/22 auto, that put more meat in the pot than the 44 ever did. And, was easier to use!!! Two hands on that beast, only if one of them is in a welding glove!!! BTDT.. Sacred cows make the best burgers. Good Shooting! | |||
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I re-read my post and it may seem that I'm against handgun hunting for DG... I'm not. I just think that the hunter had better be prepared to pass up lots of shots that one with the "classic" velocity, sectional density, solid (or modern improvement) bullet can comfortably do the deed. Therefore, PH's with "real" DG rifles are going to be necessarily expected (and damn well required) to turn chicken shit to chicken salad on a relatively (and to often for me) frequent basis. But to say a handgun like the one pictured is going to be useful as "backup" just is foolhardy and irresponsible. I've killed a couple of dozen bears with a traditional bow and more deer, elk, moose, antelope, hogs, etc, with a longbow than most folks will ever get a chance to hunt (that may be why I'm divorced  ).. I've had the opportunity several times to hunt African DG with archery equipment. I don't, though. It seems like dancing a little to close to the edge.... as does about any caliber in a hand gun... and do you "really" have a handgun if it weighs as much as a rifle and has about as long a barrel? More power to you guys who do it, but I'll stick to convention. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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According to Kynamco (and I think this is the classic loading), the 450 No 2 uses a 480-grain bullet at a muzzle velocity of about 2175 FPS, producing 5050 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle. | |||
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A 16" barrel. Where does the handgun end and the carbine begin???? Regards, Terry  Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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It is actually 14" plus brake for a total of 16". I Should have been more accurate in my previous post. ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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Hey guys, look what I got back after I wrote them thanking them for the great laughs.
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This company that is selling the gun is not only smoking crack, but must be mainlining other illegal substances too... I'm amazed that they sent Rusty the reply they did. What a bunch of wankers! I don't know the law in the US, but isn't there some sort of law against false advertizing? I also had a good laugh when I saw one of their other items that they are trying to sell; a "Mens ring":   To me (and my wife who came to have a look when I started laughing), it doesn't look like a finger that the ring is stuck on, but then perhaps the ring is intended for other bodyparts? | |||
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I REALLY REALLY hope that soembody buys one of these, goes over there for a 28 day elephant hunt, gets laughed at, doesn't get their elephant (I know, mean wish, but remember, they bought a revolver to hunt dumbo). then comes back and SUES THE ASS OFF this company and this "legal counsel" gets fired. Red | |||
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Plus it ain't the most powerful right, isn't there a German company that makes a pistol in 470 nitro? anybody ever seen a marlin go for 10k? I mean, you could cover it in enough engraving I guess. Red | |||
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Hey Rusty, are you scared now?  I especially like the PS mentioning the head of R and D for Marlin being an engineer, like that immediately makes him an expert on shooting elephant. I also like the crack about "barely making it through HS" and how her spelling error ("be" instead of "bet") and the legalese "Thingy", makes her sound intelligent. BTW, Are people allowed to complain to GunBroker.com about false advertising in the ads? Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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There is no Laura McKinnon listed by the Arizona Bar Association. I guess ETI has counsel from outside the state.  Regards, Terry Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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Couldn't find her in Martindale, either. | |||
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I was just a piece written by a .45-70 fan, just ignore him!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Jeese Rusty, what did you write to them that so pissed them off? Would you care to post the text? "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Surely there's an attorney here willing to take 5-minutes and write a response letter on Rusty's behalf??? | |||
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Obviously, ETI gets a fair amount of email ridiculing their offerings and/or the ALL CAPS, italicized, used car salesman hype they use in their laughable efforts to sell them. Rusty received a form "anti-harassment" letter, except for the post script, which was clearly ad libbed by a complete moron. Best thing to do in these cases is to ignore them, or, if you are like I am, get a good laugh out of their snake-oil sales techniques. STEP RIGHT UP FOLKS AND GET 'EM WHILE THEY'RE HOT!!!!!!! "Big game hunters pay $10,000 or more for a custom 444 Marlin rifle . . ." [I challenge anyone on earth to show me ONE .444 Marlin firearm of any type that costs $10,000--not even a double rifle in that caliber would cost that much!] "but for the REALLY most powerful, at the best price/value/power ratio, you CAN'T beat the 444!" [I always shop based on the price/value/power ratio, don't you?] ". . . the stopping power of the 444 Marlin is legendary, in a format that looks absolutely terrifying, even if you are a polar bear." [The legendary-polar-bear-terrifying-format is my favorite!] AND ALL AT THE LOW, LOW, PRICE OF FIFTY DOLLARS DOWN, FIFTY DOLLARS A MONTH FOR FIFTY YEARS! Damn, I've been outbid!  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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As requested here is a copy of the email I sent to the person holding the auction.
Everything above the A bold statement Indeed! Is a direct quote from their ad! LOL! The only other question I have is to ask if they can prove someone paid $10,000 for a custom rifle in 444 Marlin? Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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What's the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? | |||
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I got the same canned response as Rusty, but without the P.S. My email was a little more pointed. It said: “You fucking conman. You are an embarrassment to every shooter in Arizona and every hunter who has ever been to Africa.†| |||
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Rusty, thanks for posting your e-mail: short, succinct, and funny as hell! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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It is bad for you to repress your feelings that way! | |||
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The relevant rules are generally under the heading of "Unauthorized Practice of Law" in the state where the alleged violation occurred. Note: I am not taking the position that the lawyer in question is not licensed or authorized to practice. I just could not find her in a (non-mandatory) professional directory. Many lawyers are not listed there as the listings cost money. | |||
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ya know....anyone that can actually shoot that hog leg has the kind of hands that can take down an elephant without the gun. This is the type that hunts ele with merely a knife and a rope. Lay the rope near a pan and wait for the ele to step in the noose. When it does you jerk the rope hard tipping the ele over and then you run up and cut it's throat. The revolver isn't needed at all..... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Vapodog, Once again you are right on target! I wouldn't have had any problem if I had been a member of the Double Rope Knife Society! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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