My prayers go out to all involved. I hope they can get back on the horse.

Bad situation. Things like this do happen. Sorry for all involved. I hope everyone recovers.

Adrook you are out of line on this one. Do you always enjoy stiring the pot. Unless you have first hand knowledge or have investigated a hunting accident making statements condemning the young lady and her decision. You should forever hold your peace. I can speak from first hand experience. In my former occupation, I investigated countless hunting accidents and some were fatal. I never jumped to conclusion till all the facts were in and a complete investigation was done.

Second do not say what you would have done. When the adrelin is flowing, nobody knows what they are going to do. I know like to think what we are going to do, but it does not always work out that way. I have see the toughest guys fall apart under less trying conditions then this. I do not care if you have been hunting for 40 years. I have hunted longer then you and been in some pretty dangerous situations in both hunting and work. I am always glad things turned out well.

From the statements I can see no fault here but, I am not the investigating officer in this case nor are you Adrook.

We must all be greatful that no one was killed. She will have nightmares for months if not years over this ordeal. I am glad tracker is alright. It will take time but both will heal.

My prayers to the Boddingtons and a speedy recovery for all....

I am sorry to read this, and hope that the tracker recovers completely (as thankfully it sounds like he will) and that Brittany you are able with time to let go of whatever guilt you may be feeling. The what-if’s can eat you alive if you let them. You took action with the best of intentions, sometimes unfortunately things do not go the way we wish they would. This being said, nobody is dead and it is impossible to know exactly what the outcome would have been if anything would have unfolded differently.

I respect the way this was proactively addressed, obviously CB and company anticipated negative (even hostile) reactions, and it is better to deal with them head-on.

I can think of several scenarios where I would be inclined to trash the shooter regardless of who they were/were not, and this is not one of them.

I am glad to hear that Punki is expected to make a full recovery. Brittany did what any of us might have done in a situation like that, one develops tunnel vision and you tend to concentrate on the source of the danger, the people who are second guessing the actions of Brittany have probably never hunted dangerous game standing on their hind legs outside of a vehicle or a blind.

Aziz

Prayers and fellow hunters thoughts for those involved. Speedy recovery to all.

Von Gruff.

The bottom line is that a tracker was being mauled by a cat and will live to tell about it! That is not always the ending we read about.

I would love to see the episode of Punki's and Brittany's next leopard hunt together. That would indeed answer all questions and stifle all opinions.

My thoughts and prayers go out to parties involved.

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Originally posted by corne Omujeve:
adrook it seems like you can not even read properly... In the statements we did state that it took 3 seconds and that she did not know that Punki was under the cat she never saw him trough the high grass so she did the right thing and what we as PH's told her to do. And she would have never shot if she knew he was there. This was a freak accident and it could happen to your insensitive ass aswell!!!
Nic Kruger PH on the hunt

Corne and Nic

You are both professionals and the rest of the PHs in this country along with all the clients you hunted with respects you for that.

Sometimes one is tempted to react on the crap that gets thrown around on this site, let them be !

As for standing up for the lady, that is what we gentlemen do !

Brittany is a very safe huntress and a serious hunter as well. She is also smart enough to publish the official statement made to the police and leave it at that. Whoever wants to play Monday morning quarterback is certainly welcome too, but in the end, the facts speak volumes.

Dave Fulson:

Terrible for all concerned. But as to Punki, I'm guessing he and his family have few resources. Is there something we here at AR can do for him? Surely there are things he will need in rehab.

I am willing to coordinate an AR "relief" response of some kind. I will be in Namibia for 10 days begining 14 June. Please touch base with Corne and Nic. Find out what we can do for Punki and let me know. I'm more than confident the best of AR will step forward to help.

Craig: Prayers and best wishes to Britt.

Tom Lorenzen
Durango, Colorado

Note to all: If anyone you who can shoot straight should see me on the receiving end of an savage attack by human or animal no matter how close I am to it. You have my permission to SHOOT!!! Sometimes you have to pull you own artillery down on you to have any hope of surviving

I have just retired from 32 years in law enforcement, and have seen highly experienced and trained personnel involved in situations that have had terrible outcomes.

Trainng and experience help, but with numerous variables you cannot have a 100% positive outcome everytime

The excitement of hunting tests your character, decisiveness and judgment and it appears she has progressed to a competent point.

Life has no guarantees, and the negative incidents we experience are the best lessons, and impacts us the most.

I hope she takes this experience in a positive and learning matter, and don't let the Monday morning quarterbacks dishearten you.

20/20 hindsight is easy. Making real life decisions as they occur is the tough part.

My best wishes to everybody envolved.

I also praise those involved for releasing their Official Police statements.

Things do not always go perfect.

But it looks like in this situation everything is going to turn out OK.

They call it Dangerous Game Hunting for a Reason.

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Terrible for all concerned. But as to Punki, I'm guessing he and his family have few resources. Is there something we here at AR can do for him? Surely there are things he will need in rehab.

I am willing to coordinate an AR "relief" response of some kind. I will be in Namibia for 10 days begining 14 June. Please touch base with Corne and Nic. Find out what we can do for Punki and let me know. I'm more than confident the best of AR will step forward to help.

Agree 100% - I was thinking of this too... Corne & Nic Tell us if we can assist with Punki's medical expenses and rehab.

Damn good idea.

Why do I get the feeling that the answer you have given above is because the lady in question is Craig's daughter?

I somehow think your answer might have been a bit different if it was someone else in her position.

You have a problem with her father, be man enough and take it up with him.

Trying to put the blame of what happened in this accident on his daughter is totally uncalled for.

You claim to be a hunter and make a great effort in your handling of firearms, that is great.

But, have been in situations where someone's life was in danger, and you had to d something about it?

That is what she tried to do. Whether that was a reason why the man under attack's life was saved or not is immaterial right now.

No one could tell us what might have happened had she not fired.

I have heard of other clients who have legged it when this sort of thing happene.

At least she had the guts to try and do something about it.[/QUOTE]
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If it were me under that cat, I would hope and pray that someone would be willing to take that shot, as Brittany did. Last thing I want to see in this life is a cat ripping my throat out. Godspeed to Punki and kudos to Brittany for doing what most wouldn't have done.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Adrook, Chipolopolo, Many Thanks for confirming my long held belief that with a little tender loving care from the medical society, an afterbirth can be kept alive, you are both living proof of that, hopefully your parents had some children that actually lived.
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I don't who you are that is funny!

I'd rather hunt with that 23 yr old girl and have her covering my butt, that Adrook anyday. He shows a distinct lack of character, and thus I wouldn't trust him, whereas she stood and fought.

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Originally posted by daniel77:
I'd rather hunt with that 23 yr old girl and have her covering my butt, that Adrook anyday. He shows a distinct lack of character, and thus I wouldn't trust him, whereas she stood and fought.

Obviously, she has both more balls and more class, neither of which takes much.

My best wishes to everyone involved.

Best wishes for all involved in this unfortunate event. Count your blessings that everyone is alive! Sounds like Punki should make a full recovery and that is what is important. Don't let this ruin your hunting BB! Use it to educate others and keep hunting.

It is unfortunate that some people (ONE) are allowed an opinion.

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Originally posted by WARREN M BEST:
Note to all: If anyone you who can shoot straight should see me on the receiving end of an savage attack by human or animal no matter how close I am to it. You have my permission to SHOOT!!! Sometimes you have to pull you own artillery down on you to have any hope of surviving

Perhaps that great American philosopher, Jerry Clower, said it best:

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Just shoot up in here amongst us, one of us has gotta have some relief.

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Originally posted by adrook:

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Why do I get the feeling that the answer you have given above is because the lady in question is Craig's daughter?

And why do I get the feeling had it been someone different most of these responses would not be the shameless ass kissing that most of them are?

Andy,

I'm not kissing Boddington's ass, or anyone else's. I've been in a shitload of life threatening situations where seconds make the difference, whether it was entantgled with another jumper under violently spinning, collapsing canopies blacking out from the G's, or a with flaming engine on the right wing threatening to kill us all.

You react, based on training and experience. If you fuck up, you, or somebody else, die. If you don't, you, or they, live.

From the limited amount of information in the police reports, she did the right thing, based on the information she had. Who is to say what any of us would have done? Some might have run, some might have frozen, some might have fired. You never actually know how you are going to react in an emergency until you have one.

I think she did the right thing, based upon what she knew at the time, from her point of view. Shit happens, and most of the time it's over in a couple of seconds. Then the second guessing begins by the Monday-morning quaterbacks. I'm backing Brittney until I see something that contadicts her actions. And I have absolutely no dog in this fight.

Prayers and best wishes to Punki, Brittany, Craig and all concerned. I've never faced a cat charge, but have had some dicey moments with a buffalo. That was fast enough, with trackers running in every direction, in high grass. It was not nearly so fast as what was described. I think the young lady did well under the circumstances and this was just a very unfortunate accident. I'm glad Punki will recover. Someone mentioned an AR fund or something for him -- has anything come of that?

I hope everyone makes a speedy recovery, whether it's physically or mentally. I hope some people on here get a life, too.

adrook,

Ever make that phone call?

I'm stealing this from KPete who attributes it to TR. If he didn't say it, he should have, and it sounds like him. I thought, as KPete probably thought, that it might have some relevance to Brittany.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

I'm just grateful I've never had to deal with a situation like this. Best wishes and a speedy recovery to all involved.

From Nick's statement:

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She shot at the leopard because it stopped which, for her was the right thing to do at that stage. Any hunter in the same situation would have done the same. When she shot the leopard it was busy biting Punki and there was a lot of movement as the leopard was pulling Punki around. Because of her height Brittany was unable to see this. The whole thing happened very quickly, in less than three seconds, much too quickly for me to give any instructions or clarify the situation. I am certain her bullet hit Punki because the leopard pulled Punki up right into the line of her shot, suggested by deep bite marks on his belt.

Those armchair quarterbacks that remain critical of the events may want to re-read the PH's statement. Would you have attempted to shoot if you saw a member of your party getting mauled? Or would just stand there and gape?

I believe most all of us here would have taken a shot. As it stands, it took merely a split second for the leopard to move ever so slightly exposing the tracker.

Ever taken a shot and have your target move? If you never have, you are shooting plastic game replicas instead of wild game. They move, shots miss even though they land where you aim.

I have always been of the view that there are few legitimate "accidents". Most things these days called accidents result from someone's carelessness. This case, however, is truly an accident. Until someone becomes an expert in Leopard maulings and leopard psychology and develops the ability to predict each and every movement of the cat, no one, and I mean no one, can second guess this event.

It was an accident. Shit does happen. And unfortunately, incidents like this bring out those of no honor nor morals to climb upon the bully pulpit, thump their chests, and mock those involved. And they do so protected from identification and the burden of backing their own words by the cover offered by the internet.

You have an issue with Craig Boddington? Take it up with him. But don't twist the facts here and try to excoriate his daughter in some lame attempt to get a jab in at Craig. That is a damn cowardly approach, and it is frankly as low as it gets.

Thank you Helgard!!!

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Originally posted by Helgaard van der Vyver:

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Originally posted by corne Omujeve:
adrook it seems like you can not even read properly... In the statements we did state that it took 3 seconds and that she did not know that Punki was under the cat she never saw him trough the high grass so she did the right thing and what we as PH's told her to do. And she would have never shot if she knew he was there. This was a freak accident and it could happen to your insensitive ass aswell!!!
Nic Kruger PH on the hunt

Corne and Nic

You are both professionals and the rest of the PHs in this country along with all the clients you hunted with respects you for that.

Sometimes one is tempted to react on the crap that gets thrown around on this site, let them be !

As for standing up for the lady, that is what we gentlemen do !

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Originally posted by lavaca:
I'm stealing this from KPete who attributes it to TR. If he didn't say it, he should have, and it sounds like him. I thought, as KPete probably thought, that it might have some relevance to Brittany.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

That's TR for sure. One of my favorite all time quotes and excedingly approriate in this conversation.

Brett

At this stage we are just doing all we can to get Punki back on his feet. We are geting him the best medical care money can buy.At this stage we do not know if any insurance will cover this because all our liability insurance cover when the PH or trckers injure a client not when a client injure a tracker... At this stage Craig and us are paying all the bills wich has reached US$ 14 000 Yesterday...
And there is a long road ahead. We will be there untill he has recovered and we will pay his salary also so that he can take care of his family. We are looking at setting up a TRUST FUND for this because the bills will double in the months to come.
Thank you again for all your support and this just show us all again what great people we have in our hunting community!!
I will visit Punki today and it seems like he will be out of ICU today into High care...
We will keep you posted
Corne Kruger
omujeve@mweb.com.na

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Originally posted by TWL:
Dave Fulson:

Terrible for all concerned. But as to Punki, I'm guessing he and his family have few resources. Is there something we here at AR can do for him? Surely there are things he will need in rehab.

I am willing to coordinate an AR "relief" response of some kind. I will be in Namibia for 10 days begining 14 June. Please touch base with Corne and Nic. Find out what we can do for Punki and let me know. I'm more than confident the best of AR will step forward to help.

Craig: Prayers and best wishes to Britt.

Tom Lorenzen
Durango, Colorado

Great to hear Punki will have a full recovery,well done to Brittany for standing her ground

BAD TIMES for all involved.

I have always liked C.B. he is a genuine guy who answered e mail questions for me and another friend when we were first shopping around for an African plains game hunt 12 years ago. I have read much of his stuff and as a father of 2 girls I very much admire how he has a daughter who hunts with him.

Thoughts and prayers for the tracker that got the sting of a bullet and also for the Boddingtons. No matter what way you slice it it is a shitty deal for all involved.

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Here is a cappy of wht I posted in the IS ADROOK AN ASSHOLE thread for anyone who cares...

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Asshole YES...

Ignorant NO.

The man raised a point that I agree with.

There are no hunting accidents, only screwups.

Much like that statement of fact that there is no "accidental discharge of a firearm" it is a NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE !! Think about it... the person in question pulled the trigger, it didn't go off by itself !

I have to agree with Adrook on another point,


Getting shot through the ass with a 300 win mag is help I don't want or need when a leopard is chewing on me !! Any of you guys that pontificate on the possible merrits of the tracker getting shot are realy grasping at straws...

A leopard mauling is brutal, HOWEVER almnost no one dies from it, and the few that do almost all die of infection due to septis. If this was a lion then yes the mauling would almost certainly result in death. However if it was up to most of you I am sure you would pick the fury of a leopard mauling over the permanent dammage a powerfull rifle does.

Knowing the type of dammage a 300 win does to an animal I feel that I would take my chances with the leopard rather than the bullet wound in Africa!!

NOW I also must say Adrook you are an ASSHOLE,



There is a time and place for everything and I honestly feel that there can be nothing gained by pissing on someone when they are down.
The girl may of been negligent but she wasn't criminal. I doubt that she intended to shoot this poor guy.

So perhaps if you lightened up a little and lowered the dose of venom you dispence other people could see the merits to the arguments you make.

PS Adrook, Sullivan is a TRIPLE DECKER ASSHOLE!!
I don't care how good of a PH he might actually be. He has done more harm to legitimate hunting that any buss load of PETA geeks ever could!

Capstick was a great writer, I grew up reading his books and it made me dream of Africa. I agree with you, the beret and other swag made him look like a first rate fucktard. I wish I never saw the stupid movies he made. They ruined his books for me.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”[/QUOTE]

Yes, this is one of T.R.'s quotes, however he made an abrieviated version of this speech during his first campaign for President that (I think) is engraved in stone at one of the U.S. Service Academies. I keep a copy of it on my desk to remind me how I must react any time fear and timidness creeps into my life, either professionally or personally:

"Far better it is to dare mighty things; to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure. than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much, nor suffer much, because they live in that gray twilight that knows not victory, or defeat."

Very unfortunate. I sincerely hope Punki has a full recovery as does Brittney.

Adrook, show some class. You don't always have to share your opinion, particularly in a case like this.

Sounds to me like everyone involved is gonna be okay in time. Now, how big was that leopard?

Rich Elliott

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Originally posted by Jefffive:


Perhaps that great American philosopher, Jerry Clower, said it best:

[QUOTE]Just shoot up in here amongst us, one of us has gotta have some relief.

My thought too.

Does anyone know the rifle type and caliber she used to shoot the tracker with?