HOW MANY ZIMBABWEAN PH'S/OPERATORS(OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY ON AR) DO YOU SEE JUMPING IN HERE TO DEFEND THE GUYS IN QUESTION?

ARE NONE OF YOU WHO SAY YOU KNOW THESE GUYS "WELL" WONDERING WHY THAT IS????

THINK ABOUT IT....

Think about this....Maybe it is because it is prime hunting time now and they do what they do best, and do not have time for this bullshit. I'm sure that if what you are stirring have some truth in it, then bigger fish in the pond than you will surface this.

No name again? Hmmmm....maybe the same person?

I have just got back to town and was informed of this post cussing some very close friends and fellow PHs and was shoked that some idiot could even think up this crap. I have known Myles McCallum for almost 20 years and have nothing but admiration and respect for the man we did our PH license together many moons ago and I can tell you all that this guy is top notch and so is Buzz and the rest of their crew. CM Safaris is without doubt at the top of the list if you are looking to hunt with real professionals who operate with only the highest standard of ethics and the clients very best interest in mind. As to saying that these guys would even consider breaking the law is idiotic, this reporter or whoever the heck he is needs a bloody good hiding and when someone smeers my mates names in the dirt thats what youll get you poopall, why dont you come out of behind that keyboard and we settle this properly. This industry world wide is under enough pressure already without nonsense like this going on pull together boys we are all behind you.

All any of those named in a defamatory fashion need to do is contact Saeed and I'll bet that he'll be happy to use his tracker programs to find out who and where the original poster really is and whilst the laws vary slightly from country to country, they can almost always then take legal action against the original poster for internet libel and they can take that action in any or all of the countries the comments are viewable in. In the UK & US at least, there are plenty of companies that will take said action on a no win, no fee basis.

Internet comments are considered libelous if untrue OR even if they cannot be proved to be true and a quick search on Google or similar will show you how large these awards can sometimes be.

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Originally posted by sadbuttrue:
HOW MANY ZIMBABWEAN PH'S/OPERATORS(OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY ON AR) DO YOU SEE JUMPING IN HERE TO DEFEND THE GUYS IN QUESTION?

ARE NONE OF YOU WHO SAY YOU KNOW THESE GUYS "WELL" WONDERING WHY THAT IS????

THINK ABOUT IT....

Another 1 post troll.

If you read carefully troll, every post on here is in support of Myles and Buzz and against the drive by posting that you're doing.

In my opinion CM safaris is one of the top operators in this country. I don't believe that they would have ever done anything illegal and can assure you that comparing them to some of the bad apples in our industry is absolutely ludicrous. I have a feeling that there might be some jealous people around as Buzz and Myles are probably the youngest company to have done so well in a relatively short period of time. Surely that should speak volumes for itself. I would have no hesitation in hunting with them.

Well I am not a PH or operator, but I am a Zimbabwean who has worked in the hunting industry for many years (writer/photographer), so let me jump in and defend 'the guys in question', Mr sad but true/ ngwenyasekuru, whoever you may be... I too have known Buzz and Myles for years, and I have never been in any doubt about their ethics/integrity and/or the way they conduct their operation. It is a damn shame that some of the guys who do still put every effort into doing things properly can be trashed by anonymous sorts like you. Tell me, where did you leave your principles?

David Hulme

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Originally posted by sadbuttrue:
HOW MANY ZIMBABWEAN PH'S/OPERATORS(OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY ON AR) DO YOU SEE JUMPING IN HERE TO DEFEND THE GUYS IN QUESTION?

ARE NONE OF YOU WHO SAY YOU KNOW THESE GUYS "WELL" WONDERING WHY THAT IS????

THINK ABOUT IT....

Think about this: The only people making any accusations are morons like you who use a fake name and make one post. Have the courage of your convictions, stop being a coward, and tell us who you are.

sadbuttrue
Chicken shit is what chicken shit does.
And you sir, are chicken shit!

A really good piece of hemp would be fine medicine for such gwalas. No hope tossers.

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Originally posted by sadbuttrue:
HOW MANY ZIMBABWEAN PH'S/OPERATORS(OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY ON AR) DO YOU SEE JUMPING IN HERE TO DEFEND THE GUYS IN QUESTION?

ARE NONE OF YOU WHO SAY YOU KNOW THESE GUYS "WELL" WONDERING WHY THAT IS????

THINK ABOUT IT....

They did. On another thread both Andy Hunter and Pete Barnard responded and dismissed the allegations as spurious. By the way, did you stop to think that many of the PHs are actually out hunting and earning a living? Nice first post.

Mysterious first posts in the same thread, both taking the same bullshit position? Me thinks me smells a small rodent...

Jeff

I have done a couple of hunts for Buzz and Myles and if they asked me I would do some more. There is nothing wrong with the outfit they run. They are certainly one of the better operators in Zim. They run a good ship and must keep on going. All the best to them.

I thought we were just going to ignore these idiots.

Maybe the Moderators need to get full names of people who want to join/sign up so they can step in and tell us who these guys are for real.

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But the best way to deal with this unscrupulous attack is to let this thread die by ignoring it.

on AR?? that will NEVER happen, so with that said BTT

As mentioned by both Myles, SOAZ or our Zimbabwe professional hunters association, tried to apply for the 500 elephants that parks wanted culled in National parks to generate some extra funds a few years ago.They would then in turn be able to manage the situ better as to who hunted them.But this was denied by parks, and parks went ahead and sold them to whoever.I back Buzz and Myles 100%

The source of all this nonsense is obviously hidden, like most of the AR trolls.

Just completed my third hunt with CM Safaris this September and shared the camp a few days with Bob Schofield. Bob and I would agree that Buzz and Miles and the whole crew are top notch and all these so called allogations are pure dung.

Its tough to keep these idiots off of AR even with the diligence that Saeed exercises in that regard. It is a good thing in a way that it is open to discuss hunting issues and not someones crapola agenda.

Like MJ Jines says, "Ignore", but it is hard not to speak up.

Paul Machmeier

I dont know Miles but have met Buzz a number of times. First time i ever met him he was kind enough to give me a copy of his ele hunting DVD for free as i wanted to look at it for shot placment. Everyone on here knows they are good guys.

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Originally posted by Scriptus:
A really good piece of hemp would be fine medicine for such gwalas. No hope tossers.

I think whoever is responsible has already been using "a really good piece of hemp"

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Originally posted by silkibex:

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Originally posted by Scriptus:
A really good piece of hemp would be fine medicine for such gwalas. No hope tossers.

I think whoever is responsible has already been using "a really good piece of hemp"

I was thinking more along the lines of a length of twisted hemp, attached to a stout beam or bough and the other end tied into a noose.

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Originally posted by Scriptus:
I was thinking more along the lines of a length of twisted hemp, attached to a stout beam or bough and the other end tied into a noose.

That's the only kind of suspended sentence I believe in!

Posted by request.

STATEMENT FROM SAFARI OPERATORS ASSOCIATION OF ZIMBABWE

23.10.2012



With reference to the articles appearing on internet sites which use information from 2008 published by Wikkieleaks, and which are not completely accurate, the Association wishes to make the following points:



1. The US Consulate requested information in 2008 pertaining to a situation which existed then. The report from the US Embassy in Harare to Washington was captured by Wikkieleaks.

2. SOAZ is not the sole source of information gathered by the US Embassy.

3. Only two names mentioned in these articles are members of SOAZ and we comment as follows:

a) Wayne Grant. This is a case of mistaken identity and SOAZ have no reports or complaints against Wayne Grant on their records.

b) Charlton McCallum Safaris. This company availed themselves of the offer to hunt in the Parks in 2008 and did shoot 4 elephant under this scheme. After consulting with members of the SOAZ Committee, they thereafter withdrew from the scheme. From that time to the current date no further reports or complaints have been received by SOAZ, and we consider this company to be above-board and ethical.

4. The others named are not members of SOAZ or ZPHGA.

5. SOAZ trusts that in future information from 2008 will not be used years later in an effort to link the information to a new situation to which it has no connection, such as the Save Valley Conservancy, as appears to have been the case in these articles.





(signed)

E. FUNDIRA

Chairman

Safari Operators Association of Zimbabwe

And from me personally ...Wayne, Buzz and Miles are good operators who have done their best to run things properly - they have not been involed in exporting stolen goods, not been involved in exporting 'ration hunt' Non trophy (like 43" buff and 70lb Elephant) animals etc.

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Originally posted by Scriptus:

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Originally posted by silkibex:

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Originally posted by Scriptus:
A really good piece of hemp would be fine medicine for such gwalas. No hope tossers.

I think whoever is responsible has already been using "a really good piece of hemp"

I was thinking more along the lines of a length of twisted hemp, attached to a stout beam or bough and the other end tied into a noose.

Yeah, got it the first time around and agree completely. Since rolling it hasn't seemed to work it's high time to move on to twisting it.

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Originally posted by silkibex:

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Originally posted by Scriptus:

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Originally posted by silkibex:

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Originally posted by Scriptus:
A really good piece of hemp would be fine medicine for such gwalas. No hope tossers.

I think whoever is responsible has already been using "a really good piece of hemp"

I was thinking more along the lines of a length of twisted hemp, attached to a stout beam or bough and the other end tied into a noose.

Yeah, got it the first time around and agree completely. Since rolling it hasn't seemed to work it's high time to move on to twisting it.

ludicrous , but thats what we expect from the antis - and thats why we should alsways stand together and make an effort to do the right thing ....just reading a few posts above ,not one negative post against buzz and myles - the reality is the hunting community know the truth ...

buzz and myles are good guys who make every effort to do things properly , thats not necessarily true with everyone mentioned there.

by the way the reason for my delay is posting is that i have been hunting till yesterday !

Total and complete horse shit! I just got back to the States literally an hour ago from an 18 day hunt with Charlton McCallum Safaris. My third and I'll be back again and again with them.

They are top operators and above board in every way. Just as a quick example, on day 4, we heard 2 shots from poachers. We immediately suspended our hunt and drove to the ranger station to pick up and deploy the scouts on the poachers trail. We deployed additional scouts the following day. More to come in my hunt report but suffice it to say that CMS is ADAMANT about following the law and protecting the game animals of Zimbabwe.

Buzz, Myles, Al and their other PH's are all men of class and upstanding character. But then again, we all know that. This poster is trolling.

Thanks, Don, for getting the statement by SOAZ out. It reflects the facts and makes the point that a snapshot from 2008 cannot be used to define the situation of today.

Believe solid operators like Buzz can add this statement to their websites if they deem it necessary to answer any specious allegations.

Regards, Tim

AR members-

Buzz appreciates your support but would prefer that this thread be allowed to die, so please, DO NOT POST anything more in this thread. It serves no purpose, as all of us who know the situation fully understand, other than to bring it back to the top every time someone posts.

Thanks,

Sadly , this post saw the light of day , we cant help but react to news that sounds untrue so we even read it becuase we cant believe the headline we read ! The e bad side - no matter - true or not - the human brain stores information true or untrue. Buzz and Miles hopefully dont even respond to this but look on the bright side that sometimes even bad advertising is good advertising - as someone pointed out - those who know CMS jumped in to defend them before they could even be aware of this thread. Speaks volumes in the confidence so many people have in them.

With a name like Booze Charlatan what did you expect?

A couple of things i always look at.

1. if the person is a new member---What kind of post are they making.

2. What does the poster hope to gain. --- positive or negative results.
If negative...we need to look a little closer to see if this is a trusted (factual) post.

The past month or so i have seen anti hunting/gun posters on different pro-hunting/gun forums..

Fished out of a camp run by CM Safaris a few years back. Top shelf. I would hunt with them in a heartbeat.

I know, I know: don't feed the trolls. However, I feel the need to add my own two cents' worth to the defense of CMS. I agree with the prior postings by other CMS clients that they run a top notch organization. But the more salient issue in this discussion is the hunting ethics reflected by CMS and its PH's. I personally can attest to Alan Shearing's extremely high ethical standards. On our tuskless hunt, we passed several shots on what he had identified as a tuskless cow, so that he could observe the cow over time and make absolutely sure that she did not have a calf. No one who has hunted with Alan Shearing would question his interest and concern in proper management of wildlife or his hunting ethics. Had my say, so now I'll go radio silent on this topic.

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
AR members-

Buzz appreciates your support but would prefer that this thread be allowed to die, so please, DO NOT POST anything more in this thread. It serves no purpose, as all of us who know the situation fully understand, other than to bring it back to the top every time someone posts.

Thanks,

What is so difficult to understand? LET IT DIE, STOP POSTING!!!

As if Zim doesn't have enough bullshit to deal with. This sounds like old hat for ZanuPF Imp's, but I suspect it has more to do with getting Bwana out of Africa.

I made my first safari with Myles four years ago. I spent ten days in a classic tent camp safari hunting buffalo. Buzz came into camp a couple different days and dined with us. I do not think I have met any two more scrupulously honest and ethical men in my life.

They set a high standard for the industry...

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Originally posted by Scriptus:

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
AR members-

Buzz appreciates your support but would prefer that this thread be allowed to die, so please, DO NOT POST anything more in this thread. It serves no purpose, as all of us who know the situation fully understand, other than to bring it back to the top every time someone posts.

Thanks,

What is so difficult to understand? LET IT DIE, STOP POSTING!!!

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