Linky no worky!! Not sure what you were pointing to.

Anyway, tough to beat MagPul P-Mags.

Works for me. Is an on-line magazine abt hunting with AR rifles. Allows downloading for off-line reading. Downloads are LARGE.

My bad I thought you were linking to a new AR (ammun ition) magazine!!!!

I guess after fourty-some years they're still trying to get the damn thing to work-sheesh, just give up already.

Talk about stirrin shit

These aint your daddy's AR's.

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Originally posted by BISCUT:
Talk about stirrin shit

These aint your daddy's AR's.

Sooooo....these are better? Then why is the Gov't still trying to make them work? Why are magazines being continuously updated? Why does bullet weight keep getting heavier? Why do they still need to be cleaned twice a day(sometimes more) in hostile environments? Why are certain people interested in the 6.8SPC? Why are M14's being reissued? Because that plasic and aluminum abortion don't work. It's a damn fine replacement for the MP5, but that's the extent of it. Any troops in the middle east that think the M-16 works, and are happy with it have never been in a real firefight or have never used anything else, or both. Have fun playing with your laser sight, son. Plastic is for Barbie dolls and aluminum is for riot-grade Barbie dolls.

Honestly, guys!

As much as I respect Randy Luth, I really can't say a single shot AR is a AR.

Still, anyone who wants to hunt DG with a single shot has some serious confidence in himself.

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Originally posted by ditch:

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Originally posted by BISCUT:
Talk about stirrin shit

These aint your daddy's AR's.

Sooooo....these are better? Then why is the Gov't still trying to make them work? Why are magazines being continuously updated? Why does bullet weight keep getting heavier? Why do they still need to be cleaned twice a day(sometimes more) in hostile environments? Why are certain people interested in the 6.8SPC? Why are M14's being reissued? Because that plasic and aluminum abortion don't work. It's a damn fine replacement for the MP5, but that's the extent of it. Any troops in the middle east that think the M-16 works, and are happy with it have never been in a real firefight or have never used anything else, or both. Have fun playing with your laser sight, son. Plastic is for Barbie dolls and aluminum is for riot-grade Barbie dolls.

It's a damn fine replacement for the MP5,????

Different application ?

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Originally posted by 500N:

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Originally posted by ditch:

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Originally posted by BISCUT:
Talk about stirrin shit

These aint your daddy's AR's.

Sooooo....these are better? Then why is the Gov't still trying to make them work? Why are magazines being continuously updated? Why does bullet weight keep getting heavier? Why do they still need to be cleaned twice a day(sometimes more) in hostile environments? Why are certain people interested in the 6.8SPC? Why are M14's being reissued? Because that plasic and aluminum abortion don't work. It's a damn fine replacement for the MP5, but that's the extent of it. Any troops in the middle east that think the M-16 works, and are happy with it have never been in a real firefight or have never used anything else, or both. Have fun playing with your laser sight, son. Plastic is for Barbie dolls and aluminum is for riot-grade Barbie dolls.

It's a damn fine replacement for the MP5,????

Different application ?

Same application- clearing buildings, pounding people in the chest from 10 feet away. The M16/M4 does a stellar job. For this purpose I can't think of anything that would work better, with the exception of a 16 inch 308 with a brake.

Ditch

thanks

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Originally posted by 500N:
Ditch

thanks

You are most welcome, my friend. Happy Thanksgiving.

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Originally posted by butchloc:
http://www.arshunt.com/arshunt/200910#pg1

Thanks for the link butchloc! I enjoy AR rifles but not in the way most do. I mainly hunt and target shoot with mine and leave the Rambo stuff to others. The site looks geared towards my interests.

Brother Ditch, you should really think about giving it up. The shit stirring gets old. The M14 is a nice rifle, most agree on that including myself, but it also was the shortest lived MBR in American history! It just didn't work in that role and was replaced. The few remaining M14's have been re-issued to special forces but they are being replaced now by the Knights Armament M110SASS. The M14 is breathing it's last dying breath as a military weapon.

Like it or not the M-16 has been getting the job done for over 40 years now and has nothing left to prove. They've made changes/improvements over the years but that's normal with any weapons system.

The M-16/M4 platform will be replaced in the near future. The rifle that replaces it will have even more plastic and less metal than a M-16 has on it now! And guess what, it'll run on the 5.56 NATO cartridge.

The replacement will probably be the FN SCAR or the Bushmaster ACR. Both rifles being heavily influenced by the current M-16 platform.

Speaking of the 5.56, it was such a bad idea Russia had to copy it.


Terry

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Originally posted by ditch:

quote:

Originally posted by BISCUT:
Talk about stirrin shit

These aint your daddy's AR's.

Sooooo....these are better? Then why is the Gov't still trying to make them work? Why are magazines being continuously updated? Why does bullet weight keep getting heavier? Why do they still need to be cleaned twice a day(sometimes more) in hostile environments? Why are certain people interested in the 6.8SPC? Why are M14's being reissued? Because that plasic and aluminum abortion don't work. It's a damn fine replacement for the MP5, but that's the extent of it. Any troops in the middle east that think the M-16 works, and are happy with it have never been in a real firefight or have never used anything else, or both. Have fun playing with your laser sight, son. Plastic is for Barbie dolls and aluminum is for riot-grade Barbie dolls.

6.8spc is a caliber change Only difference is magazine, bolt face, barrel, and of course a 270cal booooooooolit. Otherwise it's the same BARBIE platform as the m4.

Keep luggin around your 15lb 308 old man.

Where in my post did I say the 6.8 was a different weapon? You're not even smart enough to be a good smart ass,
and it's approx. 9lbs, not 15. I think you're 15, and after packing around that 9lb 308 all these years, I bet I could teach you some respect. Keep packing that popgun boy, you're just one more dumbass I don't have to worry about.

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Originally posted by ditch:
Where in my post did I say the 6.8 was a different weapon? You're not even smart enough to be a good smart ass,
and it's approx. 9lbs, not 15. I think you're 15, and after packing around that 9lb 308 all these years, I bet I could teach you some respect. Keep packing that popgun boy, you're just one more dumbass I don't have to worry about.

GET A LIFE YOU FUCKIN LOOSER!!!

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Originally posted by BISCUT:

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Originally posted by ditch:
Where in my post did I say the 6.8 was a different weapon? You're not even smart enough to be a good smart ass,
and it's approx. 9lbs, not 15. I think you're 15, and after packing around that 9lb 308 all these years, I bet I could teach you some respect. Keep packing that popgun boy, you're just one more dumbass I don't have to worry about.

GET A LIFE YOU FUCKIN LOOSER!!!

Are you finished?

You become the aggressor via personal attack with those that do not drink YOUR Kool Aid and then act like you are high and mighty?

Just like Nancy Pelosi, mommy musta not given you the attention you oh so desire. Don't worry I'm here for you.

Must be a deomcrat

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Originally posted by BISCUT:
You become the aggressor via personal attack with those that do not drink YOUR Kool Aid and then act like you are high and mighty?

Just like Nancy Pelosi, mommy musta not given you the attention you oh so desire. Don't worry I'm here for you.

Must be a deomcrat

pelosi? democrat? You win, kid. I can't go that low. Peace.

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Originally posted by ditch:

quote:

Originally posted by BISCUT:
You become the aggressor via personal attack with those that do not drink YOUR Kool Aid and then act like you are high and mighty?

Just like Nancy Pelosi, mommy musta not given you the attention you oh so desire. Don't worry I'm here for you.

Must be a deomcrat

pelosi? democrat? You win, kid. I can't go that low. Peace.

peace as well!

Go to Camp Perry and count the M1A/M14's on the firing line. Then count the M16/AR's. You will count the M1A/M14's on one hand.

Rub Line

I have shot M1 Garand and M14 [mine was an Armscorp, so M14 is the proper "name for it] in Service Rifle Matches..

I can still remember the first time my buddy and I shot an AR 15 in a Service Rifle Match.

We were driving home after the match, a 90 mile trip... And we wondered why we still had so much energy...

We figured it out...
It was because the AR in 223 was much "easier" on your body to shoot, than the 30/06 or 308...

This is really important in a multiple day match...

The 308 is one of my most favorite cartridges...
I like the Garand and the M1A/M14, and the H&K 91 as well. The 308 can do "stuff" that the 223 cannot...
But I have used AR type rifles for work guns for 23 years and for "play" for over 33 years [with a few other 223, H&K and AUG] and they have never let me down.

Many, many times, I have fired over one thousand rounds a day, for five days straight from an AR with NO malfunctions...

MY SECRET... Keep the rifle lubed up with Break Free.

I think the M-4/M-16 is a great platform for MBR... I have had no problem with mine even though have not been in a fire fight have been to the range here in afghanistan and I have put 800rds thru mine during one shooting session. couple hundred of those were on burst.. Not one jam, majority of the troops out here seem to be pretty happy no gripes... Our snipers have M-14 out here... I don't know why people have a fixation with the M-14/M1A1 don't get wrong nice rifle but "YOU" guys saying bring it back arent' the one lugging the damn things up the hills/mountains... Also why do you need a M-14/M1A1 when they lug around probably the finest crew served weapon ever the 240B... Then again "YOU" guys probably would love to see us lug around the Browning 1919A3 LOL...

Hey bro, keep ur head down!! PM inbound. Buddy of mine is headed to your area for his last tour (5th).

Feelin what you stated. Love my AR-10's but wouldnt want to hump them!!!

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Originally posted by Rub Line:
Go to Camp Perry and count the M1A/M14's on the firing line. Then count the M16/AR's. You will count the M1A/M14's on one hand.

Go to Camp Perry and see how many targets are shooting back.

Hello Ditch,
No, the shooters at Camp Perry are not exposed to hostile fire and that is a good thing. However if some of those competitors were shooting back with their 15/16's the odds are very good that they would hit their target and yes those few still shooting the M1A/M14's could also hit the target, but with the introduction of the 15/16 competitors have been able to increase their scores quite a bit over using the M1A/M14's. Equally accurate out to 600 yards for slow fire, but difference shows up in the rapid fire portion of the match due to much lighter recoil/recovery time.
NM 15/16's and M1A's pretty much of equal weight, barrel length, trigger pull same,4.5lbs by regulation, and yet the 223 scores very high and usually wins the day. Bottom line is easier for the shooter to master and become a skilled marksman. You can just about use the same "come ups" for either round and get on target from 200-600yds. 99% of those on this site will never face hostile fire and let's hope it stays that way. No one is saying that the M14(or variants) is a bad rifle, shot a NM 14 for number of years, but the 15/16 just simply rules the ranges these days and most likely will for sometime to come. Be cool.
martin

I have no doubt what you say is true, but I wouldn't know one way or the other, I'm no target shooter. I'm sure the AR is a heck of a target rifle, but at 600 yards, depending on bullet weight, the 223 is about as effective as a 22LR at the muzzle. If I wanted to shoot paper I'd use my 5R.

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Originally posted by ditch:
I have no doubt what you say is true, but I wouldn't know one way or the other, I'm no target shooter. I'm sure the AR is a heck of a target rifle, but at 600 yards, depending on bullet weight, the 223 is about as effective as a 22LR at the muzzle. If I wanted to shoot paper I'd use my 5R.

You are 100% right, you don't know.

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Hello Ditch,
No, the shooters at Camp Perry are not exposed to hostile fire and that is a good thing. However if some of those competitors were shooting back with their 15/16's the odds are very good that they would hit their target and yes those few still shooting the M1A/M14's could also hit the target, but with the introduction of the 15/16 competitors have been able to increase their scores quite a bit over using the M1A/M14's. Equally accurate out to 600 yards for slow fire, but difference shows up in the rapid fire portion of the match due to much lighter recoil/recovery time.
NM 15/16's and M1A's pretty much of equal weight, barrel length, trigger pull same,4.5lbs by regulation, and yet the 223 scores very high and usually wins the day. Bottom line is easier for the shooter to master and become a skilled marksman. You can just about use the same "come ups" for either round and get on target from 200-600yds. 99% of those on this site will never face hostile fire and let's hope it stays that way. No one is saying that the M14(or variants) is a bad rifle, shot a NM 14 for number of years, but the 15/16 just simply rules the ranges these days and most likely will for sometime to come. Be cool.
martin.

I never shot an m14 in highpower matches, but I shot a lot of matches with ar's. Many of the guys in my shooting club are distinguished riflemen and they talk about the old days when they shot 14's and they had to carry enough spare parts to build a new rifle. Is that true Martin?

Straying off topic, but are you referring to a 5 groove, radius rifled, 12 twist 308 barrel when you mention 5R?? Am familiar with those, but whatever caliber, firearm, configuration, the bulk of the responsibility to achieve a hit whether paper or otherwise is upon the trigger puller, not the equipment. You may want to check out the performance of the 223@600 w/ 80gr bullet and see that it retains somewhere near 1400fps and some 400+ft/lbs of energy. I rest my case and take care.

martin

Rub line,
Actually I always found the M1A/M14's to be reliable and give good service. Friend of mine shot one for over 7000 rnds and eventually had a trigger failure(hammer actually broke,) but all in all dependable. His barrel was shot out, throat gone, but he could still keep in the 10 ring w/ occasional flyer going in the 9 or 8 ring. The gas piston can carbon up as they say and you have those two drill bits which serve to carve out the carbon, but that is not a continous maintenance item, but needs to be checked out and cleaned from time to time. Check to see if the piston is sliding smoothly was to lock back bolt, tilt rifle up and down and listen for piston sliding back and forth. If not, then it needed a cleaning. The 3/8" plug on the gas piston housing need to be torqued back the same each time and a witness mark placed so you could do so in the field without a torque wrench on hand. Rear sight elevation drum has a screw which can come loose and the windage drum has a small screw which if not properly tightened can permit the damn sight to drift downward on you when you least expect it. I know this from experience when shooting a match and doing very well and the hits started going everywhere. Screw loose, rack and pinion type sight, recoil and drives the rack/sight downward. Live and learn!!

NM M1A/M14's have been "glass bedded" and over time they will need to be skim bedded or lightly bedded to bring it back to spec. One needed to make sure the front stock metal and the gas piston housing were smoothly polished and greased a bit there to prevent any binding/rubbing and throwing shots, but just part of the routine to keep them running in top shape. In summation, there are other tricks/techniques taken to keep one in top shape, but all that has been mentioned above is not required on the 15/16 rifle. Use CLP, clean the barrel, check your breathing, natural point of aim, the wind, sight picture and squeeze the shot. Should be a 10 or an X.
Learning curve on the M14's is a slow gradual one compared to the 15/16 and a good case in point is that many 14 shooters(and Garands) would spray some sort of gooey, sticky stuff on their mats and on the guns to help in controlling recoil so as to not come out of position. I have never seen anyone use that stuff w/ a 15/16, don't need it. After my friend's incident with his "fire control group", fancy name for trigger assy., I did carry a spare one with me, but never needed it and last NM M14 I shot was on it's third barrel and that one I had put some 3500 rounds though it and no failures, just maintenance. You are probably sorry you asked now aren't you??

martin

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Originally posted by MFD:
Straying off topic, but are you referring to a 5 groove, radius rifled, 12 twist 308 barrel when you mention 5R?? Am familiar with those, but whatever caliber, firearm, configuration,

Martin, he's referring to the 5R barrel configuration (1-11.29" twist). These were/are used on M24s, Remington 40X target rifles, SR-25s and Remington limited edition 700s.

I've got a KMC SR-25 with a 5R barrel and it shoots EXTREMELY well!

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Originally posted by Rub Line: Many of the guys in my shooting club are distinguished riflemen and they talk about the old days when they shot 14's and they had to carry enough spare parts to build a new rifle. Is that true Martin?

Mike, I'm not Martin...... but the answer to that question is NO.

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Originally posted by 323: Then again "YOU" guys probably would love to see us lug around the Browning 1919A3

Hey, 323! Good to see you posting here again!

If you knock the 1919A3, you're going to piss off some guys who own the semi-auto versions of those.

Not my cup of tea...... but to each their own!

Yeah I pop in every now and then... Threads liek these catch my attention... What gets me alot of guys fail to realize this is not the m-16A1 of 60's and 70's and early 80's... Improvements have been made and I guess all the improvements one can make to the AR platform has been done.. Most firefights here are when the insurgents ambush convoys and most of the firing done by Americans are with the crew served weapons ie MK19 and M2 and 240B... Soldiers do dismount as well and lay fire with thier M-4... I have been on a couple of foot patrols and lugging all that gear is a pain in the rear even the M-4 starts to get heavy LOL. So imagine humping a M-14... the M-4 is a good weapon is thier better out probably but we will never switch to another round it will always be the 5.56 maybe improvements can be made with a different bullet... Also some folks forget we only qaulify out to 300 meters with the new std most of shots being at 150 meters with only 3 qualifying round going out to 300 meters... In the Army well the regular Army we will never do any shooting past 300 meters well except for our snipers.... Hell most Soldiers are not capable to shoot past 300 meters... If so that will require alot more range time and with the current op-tempo of the Army thier is no time maybe in the peacetime Army but not right now...

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Originally posted by Rub Line:

quote:

Originally posted by ditch:
I have no doubt what you say is true, but I wouldn't know one way or the other, I'm no target shooter. I'm sure the AR is a heck of a target rifle, but at 600 yards, depending on bullet weight, the 223 is about as effective as a 22LR at the muzzle. If I wanted to shoot paper I'd use my 5R.

You are 100% right, you don't know.

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Hello Ditch,
No, the shooters at Camp Perry are not exposed to hostile fire and that is a good thing. However if some of those competitors were shooting back with their 15/16's the odds are very good that they would hit their target and yes those few still shooting the M1A/M14's could also hit the target, but with the introduction of the 15/16 competitors have been able to increase their scores quite a bit over using the M1A/M14's. Equally accurate out to 600 yards for slow fire, but difference shows up in the rapid fire portion of the match due to much lighter recoil/recovery time.
NM 15/16's and M1A's pretty much of equal weight, barrel length, trigger pull same,4.5lbs by regulation, and yet the 223 scores very high and usually wins the day. Bottom line is easier for the shooter to master and become a skilled marksman. You can just about use the same "come ups" for either round and get on target from 200-600yds. 99% of those on this site will never face hostile fire and let's hope it stays that way. No one is saying that the M14(or variants) is a bad rifle, shot a NM 14 for number of years, but the 15/16 just simply rules the ranges these days and most likely will for sometime to come. Be cool.
martin.

I never shot an m14 in highpower matches, but I shot a lot of matches with ar's. Many of the guys in my shooting club are distinguished riflemen and they talk about the old days when they shot 14's and they had to carry enough spare parts to build a new rifle. Is that true Martin?

Why is it that everytime you AR desciples are backed into a corner and have no place to go, the conversation always turns to Camp Perry? I couldn't care less how well your rifle groups on paper, paper doesn't pose a threat. The firearms we are all talking about here are for killing people and nothing more. If you want to go to the target range with your AR, shoot a tiny little group then strut around for a week patting yourself on the back, that's fine, if that's your thing, I have no problem with it. Your pride cripples your thought process, I have nothing at all to gain from this thread and the only points I'm trying to get across is the M14/M1A is more powerful, more reliable and more effective than the M16/AR15. These are just simple facts, you can use them however you wish. Just trying to help you out with a different point of view. We're all on the same side here.

quote:

Originally posted by ditch:

quote:

Originally posted by Rub Line:

quote:

Originally posted by ditch:
I have no doubt what you say is true, but I wouldn't know one way or the other, I'm no target shooter. I'm sure the AR is a heck of a target rifle, but at 600 yards, depending on bullet weight, the 223 is about as effective as a 22LR at the muzzle. If I wanted to shoot paper I'd use my 5R.

You are 100% right, you don't know.

quote:

Hello Ditch,
No, the shooters at Camp Perry are not exposed to hostile fire and that is a good thing. However if some of those competitors were shooting back with their 15/16's the odds are very good that they would hit their target and yes those few still shooting the M1A/M14's could also hit the target, but with the introduction of the 15/16 competitors have been able to increase their scores quite a bit over using the M1A/M14's. Equally accurate out to 600 yards for slow fire, but difference shows up in the rapid fire portion of the match due to much lighter recoil/recovery time.
NM 15/16's and M1A's pretty much of equal weight, barrel length, trigger pull same,4.5lbs by regulation, and yet the 223 scores very high and usually wins the day. Bottom line is easier for the shooter to master and become a skilled marksman. You can just about use the same "come ups" for either round and get on target from 200-600yds. 99% of those on this site will never face hostile fire and let's hope it stays that way. No one is saying that the M14(or variants) is a bad rifle, shot a NM 14 for number of years, but the 15/16 just simply rules the ranges these days and most likely will for sometime to come. Be cool.
martin.

I never shot an m14 in highpower matches, but I shot a lot of matches with ar's. Many of the guys in my shooting club are distinguished riflemen and they talk about the old days when they shot 14's and they had to carry enough spare parts to build a new rifle. Is that true Martin?

Why is it that everytime you AR desciples are backed into a corner and have no place to go, the conversation always turns to Camp Perry? I couldn't care less how well your rifle groups on paper, paper doesn't pose a threat. The firearms we are all talking about here are for killing people and nothing more. If you want to go to the target range with your AR, shoot a tiny little group then strut around for a week patting yourself on the back, that's fine, if that's your thing, I have no problem with it. Your pride cripples your thought process, I have nothing at all to gain from this thread and the only points I'm trying to get across is the M14/M1A is more powerful, more reliable and more effective than the M16/AR15. These are just simple facts, you can use them however you wish. Just trying to help you out with a different point of view. We're all on the same side here.

And you can't get it thru your thick skull that M-14/M1A1 has past, we do not need it! We U.S Army and other services do have 7.62 and that is in the form of the 240 B... To carry the same basic load as the M-4 for the M14 you neeed to carry 10 magazines versus 6+ one in the weapon... Their are many positives and negatives for either weapon... But as I said for you guys yearning for the return of the M-14 that will never happen and I hope it never does... I'm happy with my m-4 with it so called innefective round... Serves it purpose just fine... I'm assuming you were in the Service or still are as well...

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Originally posted by ditch:

quote:

Originally posted by Rub Line:

quote:

Originally posted by ditch:
I have no doubt what you say is true, but I wouldn't know one way or the other, I'm no target shooter. I'm sure the AR is a heck of a target rifle, but at 600 yards, depending on bullet weight, the 223 is about as effective as a 22LR at the muzzle. If I wanted to shoot paper I'd use my 5R.

You are 100% right, you don't know.

quote:

Hello Ditch,
No, the shooters at Camp Perry are not exposed to hostile fire and that is a good thing. However if some of those competitors were shooting back with their 15/16's the odds are very good that they would hit their target and yes those few still shooting the M1A/M14's could also hit the target, but with the introduction of the 15/16 competitors have been able to increase their scores quite a bit over using the M1A/M14's. Equally accurate out to 600 yards for slow fire, but difference shows up in the rapid fire portion of the match due to much lighter recoil/recovery time.
NM 15/16's and M1A's pretty much of equal weight, barrel length, trigger pull same,4.5lbs by regulation, and yet the 223 scores very high and usually wins the day. Bottom line is easier for the shooter to master and become a skilled marksman. You can just about use the same "come ups" for either round and get on target from 200-600yds. 99% of those on this site will never face hostile fire and let's hope it stays that way. No one is saying that the M14(or variants) is a bad rifle, shot a NM 14 for number of years, but the 15/16 just simply rules the ranges these days and most likely will for sometime to come. Be cool.
martin.

I never shot an m14 in highpower matches, but I shot a lot of matches with ar's. Many of the guys in my shooting club are distinguished riflemen and they talk about the old days when they shot 14's and they had to carry enough spare parts to build a new rifle. Is that true Martin?

Why is it that everytime you AR desciples are backed into a corner and have no place to go, the conversation always turns to Camp Perry? I couldn't care less how well your rifle groups on paper, paper doesn't pose a threat. The firearms we are all talking about here are for killing people and nothing more. If you want to go to the target range with your AR, shoot a tiny little group then strut around for a week patting yourself on the back, that's fine, if that's your thing, I have no problem with it. Your pride cripples your thought process, I have nothing at all to gain from this thread and the only points I'm trying to get across is the M14/M1A is more powerful, more reliable and more effective than the M16/AR15. These are just simple facts, you can use them however you wish. Just trying to help you out with a different point of view. We're all on the same side here.

Camp Perry is not just a test of a service rifle's accuracy. It is a test of a shooters ability to accurately shoot his rifle. 200 yards standing, 200 yards sitting rapid fire, 3oo yards prone rapid fire, and 600 yards prone. This aint target shooting from a bench, it's unsupported shooting with a sling. It is very similar to the military course of fire. Your rifle has to function, your magazines have to work, and your ammo has to go off every time. We're not shooting off of bipods or sandbags. Position and control is everything.


In fact, you can take a shooter like David Tubb, give him a 1.5 moa gun, and take a POS shooter (like me) and give me a .5 MOA gun. Tubb will probably win every time, even if I have the more accurate gun. Accuracy is only one important part of the highpower game.

Furthermore, Highpower is played outside in the heat, dust, wind, rain, and sometimes snow. No, it's not battle conditions, but given the high volume of shooting that Camp Perry competitors do, it is a good test of battle rifle and equipment. If you walk down the line at Camp Perry, you will count the M14's on one hand, 15 years ago it was the other way around. Not because the m14 a POS, but because it's not as easy to accurately put bullets in the 10 ring. If the M16 was the piece of garbage that you made it out to be, you would not see it dominating service rifle competitions. Someday the M16's day will sunset and another rifle will have it's day, but it won't be the m14.

To simply dismiss Camp Perry as a bunch of paper punchers is just plain wrong. Camp Perry has all of the rifle teams from every branch of service, active and reserve, plus civilian shooters.

323-

Ever heard of a DMR, son? You haven't seen shit, if you had, your tune would change pretty damn fast. You should be thankful you even have a rifle, instead you bitch and whine and complain about the weight of your gear. Go talk to your C.O., maybe we can make arrangements to issue you a slingshot, It's lightweight and you can carry all the ammunition you desire.

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Originally posted by ditch:
323-

Ever heard of a DMR, son? You haven't seen shit, if you had, your tune would change pretty damn fast. You should be thankful you even have a rifle, instead you bitch and whine and complain about the weight of your gear. Go talk to your C.O., maybe we can make arrangements to issue you a slingshot, It's lightweight and you can carry all the ammunition you desire.

LOL Lets get one thing straight i'm not your Son only fag ass drill sergeants use that term, I suspect you were one of those drill sergeants...if all you do is sit behind a desk scheduling DMR's then you haven't seen shit either maybe playing x-box 360 games LOL... Me hell it is majority of the troops over here that are complaining about the new IOTV not just me... Also I have no idea what a CO is "SON" i'm in the cavalry "SON"... Also I read your past post to some of 11B that have seen more action than you will ever dream of and they laughed at your comments one of them told me to tell you this "You smoke Pot with Johhnny Hopkins" LOL With that have a great day scheduling DMR's today...

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Originally posted by 323:
Also I read your past post to some of 11B that have seen more action than you will ever dream of and they laughed at your comments one of them told me to tell you this "You smoke Pot with Johhnny Hopkins" ...

....... AND Sloan Kettering!

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Sloan Kettering

LOL also why everyone hung up on the m1A1/M-14 hell the better rifle is the FN FAL everyone knows this... If giving a choice I would pack the FN FAL... So in the meantime I will take the 3rd best sense we will never get the other two for obvious reasons...

So everyone knows the FAL is a better rifle, eh? Do you know how much an FAL weighs? Do you know how many countries around the world use the FAL? do you know why? You don't know shit, kid. A real 7.62 rifle and ammunition isn't too heavy for the rest of the world, just spoiled little brats that talk alot of shit because they got nothing better to do but jack off. You have never seen any kind of combat, you come back and tell me how you feel about your m4 after you've tried to stop a man with an AK-47 from killing you. I'm not talking about some punk ass arab spraying bullets in your general direction, I'm talking about a man hell bent on killing YOU, firing his weapon directly at YOU, You try that, son. Someday the cold hand of reality is going to slap you across the mouth, and arrogent pukes like you are most likely not going to live through it. It's a tragic situation when dumb-ass kids are incapable of learning anything because they think they know everything already. You remember what I've told you.