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Originally posted by butchloc:
it may be a case of which one can you find. my choice is for the JP one, but it is also $3000.

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Originally posted by Fish30114:
Good point fella's. There are very few in stock on my favorite sites, and a very very very few in 308.

Thanks for the insight!

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Originally posted by Fish30114:
OK, I've still got a lot to learn, I think I understand the lower/upper thing, but not certain...I don't want to get into modified mags and such, I'm just not that much of a smith, want to be able to go stock as much as possible---I'm a decent reloader, make plenty good ammo for a lot of rounds, might find some cheap factory stuff for practicing, and 'Zombie Time' if high rate of fire is needed.....Thinking about a Bushmaster or a Armalight right now.

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Originally posted by Fish30114:
Zeke, thanks-helpful intel, AR rifles sound like reloading, once you get into there is REALLY a lot to learn! I'll keep boning up, but I'm gonna take the plunge pretty soon, I'm still thinking Armalite or Bushmaster......

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Originally posted by Fish30114:
Gentlemen, I am wanting to purchase an 'A R' style rifle with high capacity mag in 308--I think. Not to be apocolyptic, but for defense. slash high round filed shooting, target shooting. I prefer to buy one really good rifle over tweaking a less accurate out of the box rig. A really good trigger is an absolute for me.

I suppose I would consider a 223 as well, but was wanting more lethality, so thus my thought on the 30 cal. I am very naive on the various mfgs. but have found Bushmasters in 308 and many others in .223 cal.

I would define a high cap mag as 20 min.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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Originally posted by Fish30114:
Thanks COOL, that was one of my top consideration. I'll be looking for availability on one!

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Originally posted by billt:
For what it's worth, this months new "Gun Tests" magazine did an evaluation of three AR-15 type rifles. A Rock River Arms, a DPMS, and a Stag Arms. All guns were in the M-4 configuration. Both the DPMS and the Rock River Arms got failing grades, ("F"), because they had problems with both of them chambering and extracting, effectively turning them into single shots. The Stag Arms got a "B+". Bill T.

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Originally posted by Lloyd Smale:
If gun test failed them its about a given that there good guns. Those guys are idiots!

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Originally posted by billt:

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Originally posted by Lloyd Smale:
If gun test failed them its about a given that there good guns. Those guys are idiots!

I wouldn't call them "Idiot's". In fact I take into account more of what they say, than some primped and sanatized article from the major rags that accept advertising money from the very people who guns they evaluate. That's about as biased as an NBC report on Hussein. They actually go out incognito and buy the guns they test from everyday dealers. Not get guns that have been gone through and given special attention by the manufacturer because they know it's a gun that will be elvaluated. If they didn't buy that DPMS and Rock River carbine, some other poor guy would have, and gotten stuck with a malfunctioning rifle. They simply buy and shoot, just like you and me. Then report the results of what happened. If it's something weird, they'll report that as well. They do much the same with accuracy testing. Factory ammo, load and shoot. It is a far more realistic way to rate a stock guns performance than to have some handloading expert from a major rag spoon feed immaculately prepared handloads into a specially prepared rifle that has been checked 11 ways to Sunday before they turn it over to them. I've read countless times in the major gun rags where one of their star reporters will BUY the gun that was sent to them. Hell, I would to. Their getting all but a custom built factory gun. Bill T.