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I know a few things about this law.

1. If the barrel is shorter than 16" it's a SBR. Pinned flash hidders count in the measurement as long as they are permantly attached in one of several way's that's been approved.

2. OAL of the rifle must be over 26" or it's a SBR.

Now I always assumed on rule #2 the 26" measurement would be with the stock folded, but recently I've had two different people tell me the 26" measurement is taken with the stock in the opened/employeed position and NOT when it's folded. I've done a little searching but can't find any info on this one way or the other.

Here is what wikipedia say's about it:

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Overall length is measured between the extreme ends of the gun, along a centerline which passes through the middle of the barrel. For rifles fitted with folding or telescoping stocks (such as U.S. Carbine M1A1), US Federal guidelines state that measurement is made with the stock unfolded as intended for use as a rifle; exception is made for rifles with easily detachable shoulder stocks, which shall be measured with shoulder stock detached


I really don't want to quote wikipedia if I ever get challenged on the rifles legality. Wink

Can anyone help, and if you can would you please give your source for the info?

Thanks,
Terry


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According to 27 CFR 479.11 - "Meaning of terms":

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Firearm. (a) A shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (b) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (c) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (d) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (e) any other weapon, as defined in this subpart; (f) a machine gun; (g) a muffler or a silencer for any firearm whether or not such firearm is included within this definition; and (h) a destructive device. The term shall not include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machine gun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Director finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector's item and is not likely to be used as a weapon. For purposes of this definition, the length of the barrel having an integral chamber(s) on a shotgun or rifle shall be determined by measuring the distance between the muzzle and the face of the bolt, breech, or breech block when closed and when the shotgun or rifle is cocked. The overall length of a weapon made from a shotgun or rifle is the distance between the extreme ends of the weapon measured along a line parallel to the center line of the bore.(emphasis added- GeorgeS).


The measurement would be with the stock fully extended.

If you write your local BATFE office for a clarification, they will respond via letter.

George


 
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"A short barreled rifle is a rifle (which is defined as a shoulder
fired, rifled bore firearm) with a barrel length of less than 16",
or an overall length of less than 26", or any weapon made from a
rifle falling into the same length parameters (like a pistol made
from a rifle). In measuring barrel length you do it from the
closed breech to the muzzle, see 27 CFR sec. 179.11. To measure
overall length do so along, "the distance between the extreme ends
of the weapon measured along a line parallel to the center line of
the bore." 27 CFR sec. 179.11. On a folding stock weapon you
measure with the stock extended, provided the stock is not readily
detachable, and the weapon is meant to be fired from the shoulder."

http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/nfa_faq.txt

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Thanks, it's off to the races. Smiler

Terry


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I seem to recall. Which means I don't remember. That in the case of folding stock weapons they can't fire from the folded position if the overall is less than legal. So a folding stock m1a that can't be fired from a folded position for whatever reason is different than a collapsible stock that can be fired from the shortest position and still use the buttstock.

The difference in a legal at pistol and a potentially illegal SBr is how readily the stock can NOT be attached.


However I think it's an AND situation. A barrel can't be under 16 inches net and the overall has to be a minimum.

I recall. See reference above. That the length is 27.5. In any event, you can't have a 14" barrel on a rifle regardless of length.

That's what ruby ridge started about. On a shotgun. The barrel was cut below minimum legal BARREL length


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

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Yep. SAMs quote says clearly barrel has to be at least 16 net, regardless of overall.

Several tube and stock makers have super shorty tubes for pistol use only. And some say their collapsible is minimum with 16" barrel

I am confused so ignore me


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
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