Looks like a Sterling to me.

How about a pic?

Now this thing looks cool...

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/0...15-receiver-at-dpms/

Found one:

Hello,
Checked on delivery and price this AM w/ my local dealer. Delivery??, list price just a bit under $2,000. Whether they bring that much or not remains to be seen, but would not be suprised that they do sell w/ Ruger's name on them. Nevertheless, I placed an order and perhaps someday they will deliver.

martin

Op rod instead of gas impingment and they come with three Magpul magazines. Rails galore and nice folding sight system. Sounds like they're trying to hit the high end thinking man's market niche.

They won't sell many to government agencies at three times the price of a Bushmaster patrol carbine...

they need a .308 version!!

How do they compare in price to the HK416?

A quick search reveals the 416 to cost $800-1400. Ruger needs to rethink its pricing if it wants to sell 'em to Uncle Sam...

Any one have one of these yet?

Don't have one yet, mine is supposed to be on the shelf early July?? As for Ruger selling to Uncle Sam/Gov't agencies, etc. not sure Ruger is all that excited about doing so unless it is on their terms/pricing. They do offer certain versions of Mini 14/AC556 to certain agencies, but urban legend has it that several years ago upon trying to do some contract work w/ Gov't it did not go to well and owner decided it was not worth the hassle. Quite a few LE/Prisons, etc. use the Mini14(semi mostly) and there were quite a few sold overseas. It is a departure from Ruger's marketing strategy to delve into the military type/style weapons and this latest offering may well be the result of them already landing a gov't contract?? Stranger things have happened and Ruger is definitely a clever marketer of it's products. I think their mission statement has always been "firearms for responsible people..." or something like that.
As for pricing structure, the other offerings out there of same/similar design will fall into the same range of dollars w/ comparable equipment. Looking forward to mine, but I am a Ruger fan w/ RSM's,77's, Blackhawks, No.1 and so on.

Seems to me they are trying to compete with the Sig. Good luck!
Peter.

Like I said before, I sure hope they shoot better than Mini 14s.

I think Ruger can stick their overpriced pos up their asses.

http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=4709

Many not be a piston gun, but who needs it? The current direct gas system has been serving our military forces for a lot of years. If they thought it needed a piston system they would have converted them many years ago.

Suggested retail: 1,995.00
Sorry that's a thrown together piecemeal rifle worth about 1/2 of that and I LIKE Ruger...

I have the Sig-556 and it's an engineered piece of work for $600 less...

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Many not be a piston gun, but who needs it? The current direct gas system has been serving our military forces for a lot of years. If they thought it needed a piston system they would have converted them many years ago.

Not always true... performance is only one factor... SOCOM is using the HK 416 so that argument is a non starter anyway.

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Originally posted by Collins:

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Many not be a piston gun, but who needs it? The current direct gas system has been serving our military forces for a lot of years. If they thought it needed a piston system they would have converted them many years ago.

Not always true... performance is only one factor... SOCOM is using the HK 416 so that argument is a non starter anyway.

The HK416 is out. Military didn't like it. They chose the FN SCAR instead. Old news.

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Originally posted by starmetal:

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Originally posted by Collins:

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Many not be a piston gun, but who needs it? The current direct gas system has been serving our military forces for a lot of years. If they thought it needed a piston system they would have converted them many years ago.

Not always true... performance is only one factor... SOCOM is using the HK 416 so that argument is a non starter anyway.

The HK416 is out. Military didn't like it. They chose the FN SCAR instead. Old news.

I was at Quantico last week for FPED 7 unless something changed in the last 5 days SOCOM is still issuing and maintaining 416's. The Marine shooters seamed to like them.

Anyway... Back on topic... The Ruger is too expensive!

Back off topic. Just because some Marines are using HK 416's doesn't mean that SOCOM adopted it. Seals used Stoners' other rifle in Nam, but it wasn't exactly a military issued weapon.

The US Special Operations Command (US SOCOM) issued a solicitation for the procurement of SOF Combat Assault Rifles (SCAR) on October 15th, 2003. This solicitation requested a new combat rifle, specially tailored for the current and proposed future needs of the US Special Forces, which are somewhat different from latest generic US Army requirements, which are being fulfilled by the newest Heckler-Koch XM8 assault rifle. The key difference in basic requirements between XM8 and SCAR is that, while XM8 is a single-caliber weapon system, tailored for 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition, the SCAR should be available in various different calibers. Initial SOF requirements included two basic versions of SCAR system - the SCAR Light (SCAR-L), available in 5.56mm NATO, and the SCAR heavy (SCAR-H), which should be initially available in significantly more powerful 7.62x51 NATO chambering, and should be easily adaptable in the field to other chamberings. These other chamberings initially include the well-spread 7.62x39 M43 ammunition of the Soviet / Russian origins, and probably some others (like the proposed 6.8x43 Remington SPC cartridge, especially developed for US Special Forces). The key idea of SCAR rifle system is that it will provide the Special Forces operators with wide variety of options, from short-barreled 5.56mm SCAR-L CQC variation, tailored for urban close combat, and up to long range 7.62x51 SCAR-H Sniper variant, as well as 7.62x39 SCAR-H, which will accept "battlefield pickup" AK-47/AKM magazines with 7.62 M43 ammunition, available during the operations behind the enemy lines. Both SCAR-L and SCAR-H shall be initially available in three versions, Standard (S), Close Quarters Combat (CQC) and Sniper Variant (SV; now it is dubbed Long Barrel - LB). All these variants, regardless the caliber and exact configuration, will provide the operator with the same controls layout, same handling and maintenance procedures, and same optional equipment, such as sights, scopes, and other current and future attachments.

Late in 2004 US SOCOM announced, that the winner for the initial SCAR contracts is the FN USA, an US-based subsidiary of the famous Belgian company Fabrique Nationale Herstal. prototype rifles were manufactured by FN Manufacturing Inc, US-based subsidiary to FN Herstal; This company will also handle series production of rifles. Starting mid-2005, first SCAR rifles went to end users in US Special Operation Forces. Since US SOCOM uses Navy-type "mark" designations, SCAR rifles were officially designated as 5.56mm Rifle Mark 16 (SCAR-L / Light) and 7.62mm Rifle Mark 17 (SCAR-H / Heavy). It is believed that Mk.16 and Mk.17 rifles will gradually replace most rifle systems now in service with US SOCOM forces, such as M4 carbines, M16 rifles, M14 rifles and Mk. 25 sniper rifles.

The HK 416 has bolt issues. This even showed up with the Norwegians who adopted it. The HK is also an AR variant, the SCAR is not. The SCAR is an all new design.

MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE, Florida (CNN) -- No piece of equipment is more crucial to a soldier in the field than his rifle. And America's most elite troops are about to get a new series of rifles designed for their unique and dangerous missions.
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CNN was given an exclusive look at two new rifles for an elite group of U.S. troops.

"The difference is, I'm gonna have a weapon that's gonna fit the situation," an Army Ranger staff sergeant said.

Special Operations Command (SOCOM) is about to start training its SEALs, Green Berets and other Special Operations troops in the use of Mark 16 and Mark 17 rifles.

Within a year, the new rifles should be in action against terrorists and insurgents in Iraq, Afghanistan and hot spots the public may never hear about.

The usually secretive SOCOM gave CNN an exclusive chance to see and even fire the new weapon recently at its headquarters near Tampa, Florida. Video Watch a preview of the new weapons »

The contractors working with SOCOM to develop the weapon say it is more versatile and more accurate, jams less and lasts longer than the current rifle used by many Special Operations troops, the M-4.

The Mark 16 (Mk16) fires a 5.56 mm round, the same size used for decades in M-16s and M-4s. The Mk17 fires a larger 7.62 mm round that is used in some U.S. military machine guns, but it's not the same round as in the AK-47, the world's most widely used assault rifle.

Both of the new rifles are designed to kill regardless of the situation. The Mk16 and 17 are military models of the FN SCAR.

This from Army News: U.S. Special Operations Command has also revised its small-arms requirements. In November 2004, SOCom awarded a developmental contract to FN Herstal to develop its new SCAR to replace its weapons from the M16 family.

Now we're back on topic...yes the Ruger is priced way too high.

I don't remember what the designation of the new rifle Armalite developed to replace the M16, but it saw light as the Sterling. It was a piston rifle and not a gas impingment design. It also had a lot of other good features, and was made out of stamped steel. Most of what I know about it is in a book at by retreat cabin.
So I cannot give a defence of the design. The Robinson has some of the features except it is made out of stainless steel.
I know that the Irish IRA loved them.

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Originally posted by mikethebear:
I don't remember what the designation of the new rifle Armalite developed to replace the M16, but it saw light as the Sterling. It was a piston rifle and not a gas impingment design. It also had a lot of other good features, and was made out of stamped steel. Most of what I know about it is in a book at by retreat cabin.
So I cannot give a defence of the design. The Robinson has some of the features except it is made out of stainless steel.
I know that the Irish IRA loved them.

I'll bet you're thinking of the AR-18 Go here and see if this is it, this is an Armalite piston rifle made of stampings:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as36-e.htm

Years ago Ruger signed onto the 10 rd. mag limit and I have not done business with them since.

Does this mean Ruger is going to put the flash suppressor back on the Mini-14 too???????

Ruger offers the Mini 14 w/ flash hider now.

martin

Starmetal,

That is it. A friend of mine had a Stirling, and I handled it but never shot it. He has since moved away, and probably still has it.

Lads,

Three words... Ruger Trap Gun.

Let's see what happens.

Mike

Here one for sale:
http://www.collectorsfirearms....ils.php?itemID=29852

"over priced"
LMAO
I priced out trying to build This gun off a dpms - winds up being about 2200 bucks .. vs 1599 on gunbroken! (sic)

They are going for about $1399 now.

$1399: that's a good regular AR-15, a dozen magazines, and a thousand rounds of milspec ammunition. What did I miss? Oh yeah; of course, it's a ruger; which means there is probably a recall out on it already. They're getting to be like Microsoft; let the consumer do the beta testing.

Rich

LMT, NOVESKE, COLT!!!!!