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I would think they would both function very similarly. anyone up for doing a comparison between the 2 | ||
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You bet, send me one of each. I will be happy to do an extensive test. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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They ought to, DPMS makes them both. Bushmaster makes Remington's AR 15's. This came about when Cerus bought Remington, DPMS, and Bushmaster. Guess you can throw Marlin into that batch too. | |||
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okay so what kinda track record does dpms have? | |||
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They are okay for what they are. The stainless they use for their barrels is soft. They'll shoot pretty good, but the life of the barrel isn't long. Kind of like Savage barrel, they are soft too. You basically get what you pay for. If you buy a Les Baer 308 rifle, which are pretty pricey, you get a pretty good quality product with a good barrel. Thing to do is build the rifle yourself. That way you can choose a premium barrel by your choice of makers, and you can buy better premium receivers. Remember that DPMS is not a rifle manufacturer, they are a parts assembler. That goes for the majority of AR companies out there. One that isn't is Stag, as it's the commercial outlet of CMT which is probably the older AR parts manufacturer in the country. | |||
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changing out the barrel wants it shot out after a few 1000 rounds shouldnt be an issue. What about carbonfiber vs alum forends, 18.5 compensated vs 20 fluted barrel, pros & cons, etc. though I love a good project I'm not sure I want this to be one... | |||
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I like the aluminum myself and I don't buy into that they are colder in the winter. Your non trigger hand is holding them so, so what? ArmaLite switched to the aluminum because of the reason's I've heard from others, the carbon fiber tube comes apart from the barrel nut. Yeah you could shoot the barrel out of a DPMS and then rebarrel it. Myself I built an AR 10 using a set of premium billet receivers. The upper receiver doesn't have the forward assist which one really doesn't need. Only thing with DPMS LAR 308 receivers are they are bulky and heavy. | |||
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Agreed on the DPMS .308's. I was just looking at (okay, fondling) one this afternoon at a local shop. Deke, before you step in to the ring, buy a Brownell's Catalog. The new one is #64. One of the cool things, they have a website that is basically a platform that lets you "build" one on the URL and see how it looks and what it will cost you retail. Rich | |||
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DPMS's receivers (especially the upper) are bulky to compared to others, especially billet. I just build an AR 10 (and yes it's an AR 10 because it's using Armalite's barrel system which is a tad different) with a heavy profile 20 inch stainless barrel and billet receivers with an A2 rifle buttstock and it weighs a tad over 10.5 pounds. You'll find comparable DPMS's run heavier. Now don't get me wrong, the DPMS isn't horrible. They're pretty decent for the price and I've seen many of them shoot really good. If you get a DPMS magazine sytem in whatever brand you buy or assemble I can vouch for Magpul's Pmags....they work great and they are far far cheaper then DPMS's mags. If you want a steel magazine then try Pro, they are far cheaper too. | |||
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What is different about dpms mags, I would think they are all military spec? what about prices, do you think they are falling or on the rise? | |||
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I have a DPMS SASS that will shoot a group small enough to cover with your thumb nail. I only have about 500 rounds thru it so I can't speak to the barrel issue. It is a little heavy.but then agin we are not talking about a feather weight design. If I had to buy agin I would buy the DPMS. They still make chevys and fords pick your poison 1 shot 1 thrill | |||
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check out the AR-10's on www.largrizzly.com I saw them last week at SHOT and they are very nice. Reasonably priced as well. They make their own uppers and lowers, as well as for about 1/3 of the companies that are "parts assemblers." | |||
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Don't know if you have handled much metal in very cold weather. I can tell you it sucks the heat from your hands a lot faster the wood or composites. When it is real cold and you are using a firearm it does make a huge differants even with your none trigger hand. Been there done that Just try and see how long you can hold a metal framed pistol compared to a plastic one at below zero. | |||
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Yup, handled metal in very cold weather as I grew up in a winter state much as your Wisconsin. True what you said, but I'm right also as, don't know about you, but in cold weather no matter what I'm doing I wear gloves. Majority time you carry a rifle you have it slung over your shoulder. You won't be holding it for long, just to take the shot. Another cold weather problem are some of the compound bows that have magnesium grip. Moot point especially, in my opinion, the aluminum tubes are better. You know you can get those rubber coated aluminum tubes too. | |||
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First off nothing on the AR 10 is military spec because it was never adopted by our military. The DPMS magazine is continuation and improved version of Stoner's magazine. It's not mil spec. Even ArmaLite's magazine isn't original to the rifle because it's a slightly modified M 14 magazine and that one is mil spec for the M 14. | |||
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i prefer forward assist, and I am buying an 25. PLEASE remember that the r25 IS a dpms made platform. i do like the le308l ssas 18" barrel .. its pretty darn good looking. they use the same mags -- no difference use the same aftermarket parts, especially triggers - no difference the field reviews of both tend to be good. Some people get lemons.. which, even if i get a lemon, will just go back to remington. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Yup, handled metal in very cold weather as I grew up in a winter state much as your Wisconsin. True what you said, but I'm right also as, don't know about you, but in cold weather no matter what I'm doing I wear gloves. Majority time you carry a rifle you have it slung over your shoulder. You won't be holding it for long, just to take the shot. Another cold weather problem are some of the compound bows that have magnesium grip. Moot point especially, in my opinion, the aluminum tubes are better. You know you can get those rubber coated aluminum tubes too.[/QUOTE Having done several high risk traffic stops in very cold weather with multiable suspects takes time. You have your weapons in your hands at ready. You can't wear to thick of gloves or you loose the control you need to shoot quickly or not to shoot. Its nothing to have your weapons at ready in your hands for 30 min or better untell you get every body out and secured. | |||
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....and what you've done p dog is go to an extreme to prove your point and opinion. I did not. There is no critical cold situation when hunting or target shooting with the AR that your life or someone else's depend on. Don't try to use big dangerous game hunting as one because I don't believe the AR's are used in that application. So can we agree to disagree? | |||
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ARs are used every day to defends ones life in not so nice weather. I don't see where I mentioned big game hunting. I worked thousands of shifts in not so nice weather. And its just not cold weather Haveing your forearm get so hot that you can't touch it with bare hands can be a problem too Having your gun in hand ready to use is a very real thing for some what long periods of time. Maybe you well never use one in that situation but thousands have and do. For a target, game rifle it most likely not make a differants but for other use it is some thing to take into consideration. | |||
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365 days a year, you beat the sun up to feed livestock on a working ranch. 365 days a year you finish up the day feeding livestock, sun up or sun down. If the Zombie Wars commence around here and the weather is cold, I can stay warm shooting from any defensive position. Let those fools coming to visit freeze their asses off while still a ways off. That said, my DPMS does have the carbon fiber hand guard, and so do the AR-15's here. It got down to 19 last night, it wouldn't be much fun lying out there very long. Rich Rich | |||
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what are you babbling about? zombies and working cattle ranches? there's not many zombies outside of NO, and likely fewer working cattle ranches that aren't corporations by now. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeffe, you must not have gotten the memo. People are not buying AR-15s, etc, for the beauty and craftsmanship. Or, the finely figured Walnut and rust blued metal components. They ARE buying them for: a. Competitive shooting, which is prepping for defensive usage; and b. Concern for the safety of themselves and their families. It seems more polite to quantify option b scenarios as "Zombie Wars" than TEOFTWAWKI. I don't think my nephew and I qualify as a large corporation either. 140 acres, 120 head of mamma cows and calves; and an old brick farmhouse to live in if a situation of social unrest should break out. 38% of the families in this country derive their primary income from the fedguv. That's the same fedguv that is fourteen and a half to sixteen TRILLION dollars in debt. Some day that sugar tit is going to dry up. Be someplace where you can watch instead of participating in the unrest. Rich | |||
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