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My dad got an old single shot carbine, made ~1876. It´s looks like a experimental service rifle, with a side moving breech block. The chamber is a long .50 round, with a nearly straight wall case. Nearly 2" long. I cann´t find this round in any of my books. Everyone can help. Martin | ||
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50-70 Government is an inch and seven-eighths long. New brass, bullet moulds, and reloading dies are available from several sources here. Buffalo Arms, Midway, Grafs, to name three. Rich | |||
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Thanks Rich, I know the .50-70 and it´s possible to use it. But this isn´t the point. In germany it´s importend to know the correct cartridge name, for the gun collector permit and the registration.  Without, it´s not impossible, but difficult.Martin | |||
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Have you done a chamber cast? Not sure where to get one over there, I think Midway or maybe even RCBS used to sell them. Robert If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 | |||
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Yes, I did. It looks like a .50-70, but the case must be longer, ~2 inch. My dads means it´s a .50 US carbine, but this case is shorter than a .50-70. The next possible is the .50-95WCF but this round was introduced ~1879. But the rifle is marked 1876. Martin | |||
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Here same pic´s from the rifle and the cast. At the tang I found the year 1874.   Martin | |||
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The rifle is a Phoenix. They were made about 1874 to 1885 and are based on a patent by Eli Whitney. There is a nice write up in de Haas' "Single Shot Rifles and actions." It was never used as a military rifle in the US. Jerry Liles | |||
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Hey Jerry, thank you very, very much. Your answer is a great help for me. At the moment, I´m meaning it´s a .50-70. Thanks to all. Martin | |||
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50-70 is likely correct. they were made in a number of chamberings including the 50-70. Jerry Liles | |||
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If that's the original finish it looks to be in really nice shape. Interesting rifle. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Yes, it´s a really interesting rifle, with original finish and very good condition. The barrel is good and without any rust. First, I would have it, but a good friend have a permit to collect "western" guns made up to 1900. And so he get it. Martin | |||
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Design is definately for mounted cavalry. Good looking carbine. Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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