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Remington 798 350 Rem Mag (24" 1:12 barrel): long action increased COAL more case capacity. Re-scoped recently with Leupold FX-II Ultralight 2.5x20mm for use primarily as another dark timber Elk rifle. Sighted in with 310gr Woodleigh handloads.

Chamber could be further reamed to 358 Norma Mag. Marginal benefit however as 310gr muzzle speed verified at 2500 fps and 250gr 2750 fps.









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This is what the 350 Remington should have always been. Good work.
 
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Original short magnum cartridge from yesteryear. Niche round it's a keeper. With modern short magnum propellant and increased OAL enhanced performance achieved very efficiently.





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Wow! Check out that pre-Cooper Scout Scope. Maybe ole Jeff borrowed that one. Roll Eyes

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One of my favorite cartridges; I have 4 of them. One long action, original 700, one custom Model 70, one Model 7, and one Ruger 77; long action, tang safety, in a boat paddle stock.
 
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Nice collection! Wish Ruger would do stainless laminate 350 RM No.1 medium sporter I'd be on that right now.





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Bobster, I noticed that scout concept as well. The Col. did really like that calibre. He called it "The Fireplug". He even had lapel pins made of the cartridge case base for members of the fireplug club.


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What powder are you using sir? Length of COL?


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310gr OAL 3.14", 250gr Hornady SP 3.07". Medium slow burn rate powders work well in my particular rifle.



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I promise I won't ask you how many grains, just would like to know what powder works that well for you. I use for example, from AA 2015, TAC, to Varget in my 35 Whelen with an old custom chamber. I have seen that CFE223 is getting some good results in the 35 bores as well but have not tried it as I am getting all I need with the above powders.


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What have you gotten to kill with that magnum 35 bore.
 
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Just have to comment on the "scout" concept; possibly the dumbest idea to hit the shooting world. Putting a scope two feet in front of your eyes is simply, the wrong way to do it. I understand that the idea is to increase your field of vision but it compromises your scope FOV more than it helps.
It was just a gimmick and fad. Bad idea.
 
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When I go hunting several favorites rotated. Haven't seen anything I wanted to down when carrying my 350 RM. Yet.

Moose downed with 358 Win BLR 310gr 2000 fps impact works fine. More range/wallop if 310gr launched 400 fps faster from my 350 RM.

Scout set up on my BLR takedowns. Shoulders fast for quick shot rapid sighting no worries getting scoped. Plus barrel mounted scope remains zeroed when re-assembled.





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Nice; I hope that thing was close to the road.
 
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Lots of work otherwise.





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Very interesting and powerful results, 4sixteen. I'd love to see a resurgence, albeit minor, of this cartridge in the modern day. I can understand the DOA history of the round, but in today's market, there's every bit of room for something in this category. Even without the modifications you made, it's an impressive and capable cartridge. Same goes for it's brother, the 6.5RM.
 
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Standard 2.80" OAL impressive ballistics with lightweight bullets. 20" 1:16 barrel 200gr TSX 2943 fps or 225gr TSX 2764 fps.

http://www.barnesbullets.com/w...mingtonMagnumWeb.pdf

Start load 200gr RN ~2920 fps with my 350 RM.





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Tom, I have to disagree with you on the scout concept. That's O.K. everyone's opinion counts. I don't use it or see it as any form of long-range FOV (I only use a 2.5X) but for the speed of target acquisition. Case in point; I built a Krag, cut + crowned bbl., took all excess weight away, jeweled every interior surface, + installed a Leupold in the scout config. I shot 3 deer in my garden in less time to write this sentence. I have a skeet thrower mounted on the hill here above the valley + I use it for that as well; quick target acquisition. I don't hit them all but I do mostly. My scoring is only slightly less than using a 12G.


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310 grain bullets at 2,500 fps will do the job on anything. That’s .375 H&H Mag. power in a very compact package. I would not have thought it possible to get that out of the .350 Rem. Mag.


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350 RM FI (4sixteen improved). For comparison (with more propellant) -



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Wonder if anyone has ever necked the 350Rem up to 9.3? Dont recall ever reading about that. Would be fun, though dont really need a 4th 9.3 cartridge.
 
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9.3 Schauman Magnum.

"The original 350RemMag ‘suffers’ a little under its COL. In a Mosin Nagant type rifle heavier bullets can be seated so far out that the whole inside volume is usable for powder."

http://www.wildem.de/Schauman.html



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Thanks. Had not hear of that one. But not surprised as virtually every wildcat has already been invented.
 
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Interesting information here, fellas.

I have a M-600 in .350 I puchased from the original owner. He bought it in 1968 for black bear in NH and VT. He shot it 7 times to sight it in and put in the closer for 42 years. When I bought it, it was covered in 1/4" of dust as it was never touched in all that time. The two boxes of Remington shells were there, too, with seven rounds missing.

I keep the rifle as a loaner when friends come to hunt in Alaska. It now has a Leupold 1.5-5x, the floor plate and trigger guard is now aluminum, a quick bolt removal device was installed, and is is coated to make it rust proof.

I may find the same in 6.5mm RM for another project and loaner.

It's the ugliest rifle on the planet but an excellent and useful rifle for high country, bad weather, and with enough punch if a grizzly is encountered. My doc shot a caribou at a measured 350 yards by holding high (way high).

I have never experimented with different loads but now I probably will. I use 50 and 55 grains of IMR 3031 with 250 and 200 grains Hornady round nose bullets.

Time to take it out and play with it when caribou season is over (my doc has it now).

Thanks for this thread.
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Remington 798 350 Rem Mag (24" 1:12 barrel): long action increased COAL more case capacity. Re-scoped recently with Leupold FX-II Ultralight 2.5x20mm for use primarily as another dark timber Elk rifle. Sighted in with 310gr Woodleigh handloads.





Dont know if I missed it anywhere, but whats the weight if this rifle as pictured?
 
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8.8 lbs tames recoil (rifle gets heavier going up the mountain).



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Wonder if anyone has ever necked the 350Rem up to 9.3? Dont recall ever reading about that. Would be fun, though dont really need a 4th 9.3 cartridge.


Isn't one of the Barsness/Sisk wildcats somewhat on that order ?

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Wonder if anyone has ever necked the 350Rem up to 9.3? Dont recall ever reading about that. Would be fun, though dont really need a 4th 9.3 cartridge.


Isn't one of the Barsness/Sisk wildcats somewhat on that order ?

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38 caliber pistol bullets (0.357" dia.) can be loaded for target shooting. Speer lists load data. For example 158gr (Blue Dot 2000 fps mv reasonable accuracy).



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The .350RM has always been one of my favorite cartridges. I've taken a fair amount of game with it. Versatile with lots of bullet choices to play with.

To me one of the most important points about it is the package it comes in. Those short, light little guns are so nice to pack around in the mountains. Lots of thump in a small package. I'd take it anywhere on the North American continent and feel just fine.


4sixteen, you must of bought out Remington's stock of 798's with all that you have shown on this forum! Cool

I very much appreciate what you've done with them and shown what's possible with the ol .350 in a bigger action. Me I like the compact power a small .350 RM brings to the table.


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I built a 35 Chatfield/Taylor one time for elk hunting in the black timber of Idaho..Loved it but finally opeted for the 338 or 30-06 for elk..and this year maybe my 348 Win with 250 gr. Kodiak or Barnes X HPs of yesterday for a cow hunt...For trophy bulls its the .338 win or my 30-06 every time, or so it seems.


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Be nice to have a BLR in 350 Rem Mag. Nice rifle!


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358 Win BLR available. Standard OAL 350 RM/250gr only about 150 fps faster than 358 Win/250gr (Speer Reloading manual #14). Short action 350 RM requires deep seated bullet/reduced case capacity.

https://www.browning.com/produ...inless-takedown.html






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I'm aware thanks. Somehow the 358 Win doesn't do it for me


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Im no longer a fan of "black timber rifles" seems like every time I hunt the black timber with my 338, 9.3x62 or the 35 Whelen, I see a huge bull four or five hundred yards across the canyon! shocker Im pretty well sold on the 30-06 with a 200 gr. partition or Accubond or my all time favorite the 338 win. with a 225 gr. partition or Accubond, and up close they will penetrate a bull elk from stem to stern with a Texas heart shot, and thats about all you get in the black timber where I hunt.


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Agree Ray, when I lived in Montana in my 20s, the old timers (of which I am now a member) used to say your shot on elk will be either under 30 yards or over 300.


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Dark timber shots often obscured. Moderate speed heavy 35 caliber RN less deflection-prone. Experienced taking Elk at any range close to long not necessarily skewed either way. Can be called in quite close.





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Range (yd) Drop (in) Drop (moa) Wind. (in) Wind. (moa) Veloc. (fps) Energy (ft-lbs) Time (sec)
50 0.86 1.64 0.2 0.38 2638 3486 0.06
100 1.97 1.88 0.82 0.78 2529 3204 0.11
150 1.72 1.1 1.89 1.2 2423 2940 0.17
200 0 0 3.42 1.64 2319 2693 0.24
250 -3.33 -1.27 5.47 2.09 2218 2463 0.3
300 -8.43 -2.68 8.05 2.56 2119 2249 0.37
350 -15.46 -4.22 11.2 3.06 2023 2049 0.45
400 -24.61 -5.88 14.97 3.57 1929 1863 0.52
450 -36.09 -7.66 19.39 4.11 1838 1692

35 whelen Nosler 225 Accubond. Not just a black timber load.


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Wonder if anyone has ever necked the 350Rem up to 9.3? Dont recall ever reading about that. Would be fun, though dont really need a 4th 9.3 cartridge.


John Barsness has.

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I have a 350 Rem Mag built on a VZ 24 action with a 24 in barrel,long throated to use the full mauser magazine length. This rifle likes the 250 gr Speer bullet. I've taken a couple moose and several black bears.With that 250 gr bullet starting out close to 2700 fps it has a decent trajectory and usually only requires one shot. IMR 4320 is the powder of choice. At close to 4000 ft/lbs of muzzle energy not sure how much more power one would need to feel comfortable..If you don't like the speer bullet is can be replaced with the 250 gr Partition (if you can find them). They take the same load and shoot to the same POI
 
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