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It looks like a person could load a 325gn Barnes Buster in a 45 Colt. Maybe 11 grn Longshot or 17 gn Titegroup for about 1000fps?

That should thump a bear. And could provide a finishing shot on most anything.


i would recommend "only in a ruger" - 250s at 1000, for finishers, haven't required a second shot, for anything i hit.. knock on wood.


Yes, the Hodgdon website lists 45 Colt +P loads as "45 COLT (RUGER, FREEDOM ARMS & T/C ONLY)." I assume that is what you meant by "Ruger only."

My thoughts on bullet weight are to load whatever can be safely fired at 1000fps in a 4.5" barrel. Anywhere between 250-325gn sounds doable, based on Hodgdon site.


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Comment on noise: the smaller the hole, the sharper the crack. The bigger the hole the lower the boom. Think pipe organ and pitch. If you want quiet and effective a 45 caliber lead flat nose bullet at 1000 with the littlest amount of fast powder it takes to get it there. I use imr 4759 on most of my cast rifle loads and can really notice and appreciate their noise level. Ww231 is a good place to start with a pistol.


Thank you, that makes sense and reinforces a direction toward a 45 and under the speed of sound .

Also, a 1000fps limit means that heavier calibers like 454 Casull are unnecessarily heavy. Something lighter like a Ruger Blackhawk would need to be considered (as against a 45ACP pistol). A pistol might be lighter but would not have the punch of the 45 Colt.


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My camp gun. A Springfield V16 LongSlide in 45 Super. Buffalo Bore factory ammo 255g hardcast at 1075 fps (probably a little faster out of my 6" barrel). Pretty light, easy to carry, hits like a 41 Mag Revolver. Haven't been made in a long time.








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Wow, Chuck, you've got yourself a camp gun!
45 Colt balllistics in a 1911 pistol.

I found one on Gunbroker, only $2200. Ouch.
That's not going to happen for me.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.


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My camp gun is usually a 12 ga pump kept handy. My handgun is a 4" Ruger Security Six .38 Special, stainless. I keep either Double Tap or Buffalo 158 +P HC in the woods. In town its the same makes but 158 +P LSWCHP. About 1000K fps and not very loud at all. I gave my SIL my little S&W 3" Mod 60 .357 when I had my wrist joint surgery. With BB 180HC, its quite a handful. But its light. I have owned many heavy revolvers, and "heavy" was the issue." If bears are around camp, keep that 12 ga handy. If Bigfoot raises hades...keep that 12 ga handy!
 
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My handgun is a 4" Ruger Security Six .38 Special,


For 4 decades my most shot handgun is a stainless Security 6 357.

It has well over 50 thousand rounds thru it.

98 percent 38spl target loads

A very useful side arm for sure.
 
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Wow, Chuck, you've got yourself a camp gun!
45 Colt balllistics in a 1911 pistol.

I found one on Gunbroker, only $2200. Ouch.
That's not going to happen for me.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.


The 460 Rowland is another viable option in a 1911 and many other 45 ACP platforms and building or buying one is pretty inexpensive. The 460 uses 45acp brass loaded to pretty high pressure.

https://www.460rowland.com/shop/#460rowland


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My carry pistol when fly fishing out west in grizz Country is a Tanfoglio Witness Polymer in 10mm. Based on the CZ75 design, this pistol really shoots out to 60 feet. Great feel and functions perfectly. Just an option.


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Placement and penetration are king


I will add having your handgun with you.


And being competent with it !


If I were in your situation, I would rely on what Phil says. He has done this and lives it in his part of Alaska.

For me, other than a pistol would be a shotgun with slugs and buckshot. There are packable and compact shotguns (not as compact as a pistol) but a little easier to hit what you aim at.

Another opinion to solicit would be Bridger Petrini of Tri-State Outfitters in NM. He was hit by a bear and killed it with a pistol while it was latched onto his leg. It is an amazing story. Google it and read the terror and his coolness under attack.
 
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My carry pistol when fly fishing out west in grizz Country is a Tanfoglio Witness Polymer in 10mm. Based on the CZ75 design, this pistol really shoots out to 60 feet. Great feel and functions perfectly. Just an option.


Do you do this under 1050fps?


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I read this whole thread, and there is a preference for revolvers it seems. All are well thought out it seems, but has everyone become proficient with their choice?

I can only tell you what I do, when in bear country, especially brown bear country, but I carry it in black bear country as well, and have for many years, and have had to draw it only three times in my life. And didn't have to fire it those three times.

The way I carry my choice is in a military tanker chest rig that I used as my job required in the army. I was a radio man/machine gunner in a M42 tank. This rig was issued to me, and I brought it home when discharged. This rig was made for the Colt 45 auto also issued.
That being said my 41 Mag Ruger black hawk fits this rig perfectly, and in Alaska it is on me at all times just inside my rain gear, no matter where I am, in camp or hunting with my rifle, or fishing. I can hit a beer can with this handgun at 40 yds every shot, and my hand loads are hot, and I fired one of my handloads into a dumped old car. the bullet went through the dash, front seat, back seat into the right finder and ended up in the right hand taillight. so I have little doubt it will pernitrate a bear's head of chest with power to spare. Now it is noisy, but so is the crunching of my bones in a brown bear's teeth! Thank God I have never had to use it in self defense, but it is there if needed.

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It amazed me that no one mentioned the .41 MaG in this thread


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MACD37 thanks for sharing your experience and for the hands of Elmer Keith photograph as well. He was a good old boy from the state of Missouri, born in Hardin. Quantrell country. Be Well, Packy.
 
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The 460 uses 45acp brass loaded to pretty high pressure.

Matt: You are only partially correct.The 460 Rowland uses a slightly longer case than the 45 ACP. Starline makes properly sized and head stamped 460 Rowland brass. 45 ACP can be fired in most 460 Rowland conversion kits but it is held in place by the extractor. Being shorter it cannot headspace on the case mouth in a 460 Rowland chamber. Think 38 Special/357 Mag or 44 Special/44Mag.
The 460 Rowland is a great conversion. You can get the equivalent of factory 240 grain 44 Mag performance out of the 1911 platform.
 
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Like most I've carried 44's. They do have a higher frequency sound when loaded hot.
Bisley frame slips in hand and the 3.75" is too short, too much barrel flip.
I think ideal is Standard frame Blackhawk .45 Colt, 4 5/8", 5 1/2" if you load hot.
Full flap cavalry style holster.
Excellent used for around $450.
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The 460 uses 45acp brass loaded to pretty high pressure.

Matt: You are only partially correct.The 460 Rowland uses a slightly longer case than the 45 ACP. Starline makes properly sized and head stamped 460 Rowland brass. 45 ACP can be fired in most 460 Rowland conversion kits but it is held in place by the extractor. Being shorter it cannot headspace on the case mouth in a 460 Rowland chamber. Think 38 Special/357 Mag or 44 Special/44Mag.
The 460 Rowland is a great conversion. You can get the equivalent of factory 240 grain 44 Mag performance out of the 1911 platform.


Thanks for setting me straight! I’m personally not a semi-auto fan when it comes to camp, woods, or hunting hand guns, but if I were to consider one it would be a 1911 in 460 Rowland.


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You're right Mac. The 41 mag. is a real treasure of a calibre that never really caught on despite Bill Jordan's promotion. Of course, he saw it as the ultimate police round but he also envisioned it in a K frame rather than an N frame + that extra weight killed it or so the story goes. ( I would LOVE to have one in a K frame) Regardless it is an excellent calibre that I have used numerous times in handgun hunting. That just inspired a thought. The smith in Carolina that built my Keith # 5 specialised in building 44 spl. on a K frame ( 5 round but so what). I wonder if he could do the same thing with the 41 mag ? Worth asking about after all this current crap clears.


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but he also envisioned it in a K frame rather than an N frame


Just need S@W to bring the 69 out in 41mag.

Or find and buy a Taurus tracker in 41mag I have Ti, tracker in 41 mag It was sent back to the factory now it works.

At 27oz it is a joy to carry I shoot a 210 hard cast swc at 1100fps. More then enough with that pistol. I wish it had a 6 inch barrel.

Being ported it is very loud I do not shoot it with out hearing protection. Unless absolutely have to.
 
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at 27oz, that's a lightweight revolver. I have a 4" barrel S&W Model 58 w/target grips that weighs 44oz empty. I don't think I would want to shoot full power loads in a 27oz 41 mag.


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I know the 41 is 'brisker' but the Charter Arms Bulldog in 44 spl. weighs 27 ozs + is pleasant to shoot.'


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I don't think I would want to shoot full power loads in a 27oz 41 mag.


I have never fired a factory load in mine.

I worked up my load to the level I still found comfortable but gave me decent velocity.
 
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speaking of light and taurus ...

the taurus CIA in 45 colt is something i have been looking for .. doesn't weigh much, can take reasonable loads, though it is NOT for plinking....


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True. Those of us who reload can tone it down a bit. We don't have to have full house loads.


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Thank you, Nugman.

In the intervening time I have purchased a Ruger Blackhawk convertible, 4.62" barrel, with 45 Colt and 45 Auto cylinders. The cylinders are 1.73" in diameter. They are the old, strong design (before the Vaquero of 2005 and 1.68" cylinders), typically considered suitable for +P and +P+ loads.

The 45 Colt easily handles a nice load of Longshot with 300grain all-copper wide flatpoint LehighDefense bullets at 1000-1050fps. I think it will be fine for bear and camp. I just need to practice drawing and cocking as a natural motion. I am watching old Paladin "Have Gun Will Travel" episodes. Wink

For the 45 Auto cylinder I have a load for 200grain Lehigh Extreme Penetrator bullets at 1000-1050fps. These last loads are +P for the 45 Auto so I put them in Starline cases stamped "45 Super". In that way, no one in the future will inadvertantly try to shoot them in a standard or weaker 45Auto. (PS: the 45 Super cases weigh 4.5 grains more than standard 45Auto and their web is 0.18" thick rather than 0.17" thick in the Starline 45 Auto.) (I would load 250gn Lehigh Exreme Penetrator bullets but they are .452" and they don't fit in the tightly cut 45 auto cylinder with only .451" freebore. so I use the 200 grain .451" Lehigh XtrmPenetrator)

One advantage of the 45 Colt (.451/.452") is that it is wider than the 44Magnum (.429"). In a strong Blackhawk revolver the 45 Colt could theoretically be loaded up close to the 454 Casull, but as mentioned I have restricted myself to remain below the speed of sound.

Oh yes, I should mention that it is fun to shoot. It's been a long time since I've played with a revolver.


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Thank you, Nugman.

In the intervening time I have purchased a Ruger Blackhawk convertible, 4.62" barrel, with 45 Colt and 45 Auto cylinders. The cylinders are 1.73" in diameter. They are the old, strong design (before the Vaquero of 2005 and 1.68" cylinders), typically considered suitable for +P and +P+ loads.

The 45 Colt easily handles a nice load of Longshot with 300grain all-copper wide flatpoint LehighDefense bullets at 1000-1050fps. I think it will be fine for bear and camp. I just need to practice drawing and cocking as a natural motion. I am watching old Paladin "Have Gun Will Travel" episodes. Wink

For the 45 Auto cylinder I have a load for 200grain Lehigh Extreme Penetrator bullets at 1000-1050fps. These last loads are +P for the 45 Auto so I put them in Starline cases stamped "45 Super". In that way, no one in the future will inadvertantly try to shoot them in a standard or weaker 45Auto. (PS: the 45 Super cases weigh 4.5 grains more than standard 45Auto and their web is 0.18" thick rather than 0.17" thick in the Starline 45 Auto.) (I would load 250gn Lehigh Exreme Penetrator bullets but they are .452" and they don't fit in the tightly cut 45 auto cylinder with only .451" freebore. so I use the 200 grain .451" Lehigh XtrmPenetrator)

One advantage of the 45 Colt (.451/.452") is that it is wider than the 44Magnum (.429"). In a strong Blackhawk revolver the 45 Colt could theoretically be loaded up close to the 454 Casull, but as mentioned I have restricted myself to remain below the speed of sound.

Oh yes, I should mention that it is fun to shoot. It's been a long time since I've played with a revolver.


You’ve made a great choice! The 45 Colt in a Blackhawk was and is my first love. I like the 325 LFN and 335 grain WFN LBT bullets. That all copper bullet sounds like a winner. You might want to try the similarly constructed Belt Mountain Punch bullet, as well. The Aluminum grip frame and ejector housing sure keeps the weight down. There is a fellow down in Houston producing a mind boggling variety of aluminum grip frames for blackhawks. You can get XR3, XR3-RED, Ruger Bisley, Keith #5, Birdshead, and a couple more. One can choose different trigger guard shapes, as well.


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In the intervening time I have purchased a Ruger Blackhawk convertible, 4.62" barrel, with 45 Colt and 45 Auto cylinders. The cylinders are 1.73" in diameter.


Besides being a single action it is a fine choice.
 
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welcome to the 45 colt club!


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
Order AR/AccRel Brass
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
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welcome to the 45 colt club!


Thank you. Proud to be a member.

Now a question.

Why did Elmer Keith beef up and hot rod the 44 Special instead of building on the larger bore 45 Colt?


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More metal in the cylinders. ??
 
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More metal in the cylinders. ??


You may be correct. Freedom Arms used to do the 454 Casull in 5 rounds IIRC.
Does anyone remember if Keith commented on this?


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You may be correct. Freedom Arms used to do the 454 Casull in 5 rounds IIRC.
Does anyone remember if Keith commented on this?


The large frame old and new model blackhawk cylinders are the same dimentions as 44 mag and can take 32k psi. The new model small frame Blackhawk flattop and small frame vaquero can take 23k psi (+p 45acp pressure level). The large frame version can slightly outperform 44 mag with about any bullet weight, and can handle 360+ grain bullets.


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I hve a gun for fishing in beary places... S&W 629 Mountain Gun in a high cross draw holster. Never needed it yet, but always glad I have it. For ordinary camping, I have a S&W 651 with .22 LR amd .22 mag cylinders. Great for potting blue grouse.
 
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The large frame version can slightly outperform 44 mag with about any bullet weight, and can handle 360+ grain bullets.

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The large frame old and new model blackhawk cylinders are the same dimentions as 44 mag and can take 32k psi. The new model small frame Blackhawk flattop and small frame vaquero can take 23k psi (+p 45acp pressure level). The large frame version can slightly outperform 44 mag with about any bullet weight, and can handle 360+ grain bullets.


Thanks, Matt. Those figures are helpful.

There are some nice bullets for the 45 Colt, like the 325 grain Barnes Buster. It has a lead core. I would use them if outside California. However, in California a person needs all copper, which is why I've got those Wide Flat Nose, 300 grain Lehigh Defense bullets at 1000-1050fps.

At these velocities that are slow relative to a rifle, do people find that a 300 grain bullet will exit?


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do people find that a 300 grain bullet will exit?


I have had them shoot through 4 feet of bear.

On broad side shots most of the time in one side out the other
 
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welcome to the 45 colt club!


Thank you. Proud to be a member.

Now a question.

Why did Elmer Keith beef up and hot rod the 44 Special instead of building on the larger bore 45 Colt?


this is an easy one
45colt cases where all balloonhead, at the time, and couldn't take much pressure, which i recall him saying/writing about, or was it PO.A? in any event, the 45 colt cases were strong than tinfoil, but not by tons, as the original loading didn't need an extruded/swaged case.


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
Order AR/AccRel Brass
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
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do people find that a 300 grain bullet will exit?


I have had them shoot through 4 feet of bear.

On broad side shots most of the time in one side out the other


P Dog, that is helpful, presumably based on revolver velocities.

(Rifles would be a different matter.)


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welcome to the 45 colt club!


Thank you. Proud to be a member.

Now a question.

Why did Elmer Keith beef up and hot rod the 44 Special instead of building on the larger bore 45 Colt?


this is an easy one
45colt cases where all balloonhead, at the time, and couldn't take much pressure, which i recall him saying/writing about, or was it PO.A? in any event, the 45 colt cases were strong than tinfoil, but not by tons, as the original loading didn't need an extruded/swaged case.


Thank you. I wasn't aware of that history and it does explain why Harry Callahan ended up with a 44 Magnum and not a 45 Magnum.


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My bear Backup gun is a SW scandium .44 mag. I don’t shoot that gun much (300 grain lead bullets) as it is unpleasant to shoot. I shoot a similar sized stainless gun for proficiency purposes, and run a cylinder or two through of the backup round a year.

As to the noise issue, I hunt with a rifle, and if there is any shooting of an intentional nature, it is with the rifle. I’d just duct tape a container with a couple foam plugs in it to the holster if I was worried about the noise issue for intentional use. Even 1000 FPS heavy bullet loads are loud enough to damage your hearing, unless you put a suppressor on the gun, and that makes portability much reduced.

If you are concerned about noise in the emergency need, then your priorities are a bit off, IMO, and the plugs are available easily enough for nonurgent uses in my case.

And yeah, my hearing is shot already.
 
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P Dog, that is helpful, presumably based on revolver velocities.


I shot through a 250lb bear side to side with a 315gr WFN .429 hard cast at 900fps at 20 feet.

Shot through several bears heads with my 1100fps 41 loads. One 180lb buck in the right of the chest side out the left at 60 yards.

My normal 44 315gr loads are right around 1275fps. The 4 foot of penetration was with this load in the chest recovered in the back ham.
 
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Ruger Bisley SBH .44 magnum 3.75" with 255 gr cast between 1000-1100fps or Lehigh 300gr WFN solid copper.

Ruger Bisley SBH .480Ruger 4.62" with 355-375gr cast 1100fps or 330gr Lehigh WFN solid copper 1100fps.
 
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Ruger Bisley SBH .44 magnum 3.75" with 255 gr cast between 1000-1100fps or Lehigh 300gr WFN solid copper.

Ruger Bisley SBH .480Ruger 4.62" with 355-375gr cast 1100fps or 330gr Lehigh WFN solid copper 1100fps.


Thanks. I got a Blackhawk 4.62" 45 Colt (with 45 ACP second cylinder). The 45 Colt shoots 300gn Lehigh solid copper bullets ($1/per) at 1000fps. The 45 ACP shoots 200gn Lehigh Extreme Penetrator at 1000 fps. Either one should stop a bear, but the 300gn Lehigh is my default. Shoots nice. Put on a Hogue grip for more grip space for the little finger.


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