So, what happened with goose season the other week?? It is my understanding it was suddenly closed by the government?

If you are referreing to goose season in Argentina it was closed only in Buenos Aires province ,we are hunting in Rion Negro without problems.Juan

I was lead to believe that it was a sudden closure, is that true? If so, any insights as to why?

This was around Blahi Blanca, so Buenos Aires

It was closed only in the province of Buenos Aires and at the very bigining of the season, supposedly to protect these species until further studies were made , of course this is what was argued by the politicians not the real motives (at least I really doubt about any "further study" made by someone who couldnt even differentiate a goose from a duck, as happens with most government advisors who are supposedly "studying" this matter )

In the province of Rio Negro (a better place, a little more distant away but really worth) it can still be hunted wihout any legal problems ... in case you are interested in practicing this type of hunt, be sure to contact a serious outfitter and/or guide who really knows about best places and ways to deal with these flocks... Juan Pozzi (previous post) is in fact on of the best you might find

I'm assuming that the politicians put no thought into outfitters that may have had goose hunts booked for the year

I can appreciate that Juan seems to be a stand up guy, but does this forum always have to revolve around selling hunts for Juan?

No knock on Juan, but some of you guys that have hunted with Juan treat this like your selling Amway!

If I want a different outfitter, I am more than capable of asking.

Well, back to the Africa forum where if you post a general question, it doesn't turn into a sales pitch.

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Originally posted by GMaxson:
(......) does this forum always have to revolve around selling hunts for Juan?

No knock on Juan, but some of you guys that have hunted with Juan treat this like your selling Amway!

If I want a different outfitter, I am more than capable of asking.

Well, back to the Africa forum where if you post a general question, it doesn't turn into a sales pitch.

That`s you own and completely wrong appreciation GMaxson

You asked a question that any competent guide should have answered, so I figuered that you had no one to tell you how things are being done in Argentina ....

I just "reccomeded" Juan Pozzi, since I am a regular client completely satisfied with the kinds of hunts he offers.... I didn`t even suggested an average price you might expect (nor would I ever do) just because I don´t want to mix business and friendship - as you did, since I treated you as a friendly guy looking for some advice I was in position to provide him with... and you surprisingly understood I was trying to do some business with you (that doesn´t speak very well about you, by the way ...)

No sales here from my side, just a friendly reccomendation given to an AR member whom I supposed to be intelligent enough to make his own needed research of a hunt he would pay and supposedly enjoy by himself, never even imagine you would take it blindly - and as I always value a first hand opinion, that´s what my post intended to be ...

So in the future I will abstain to answer any post you might write since it is evident you are accostumed to treat with merchants, which I am not... just a proud hunter who made very good friends here in AR (living them all over the world), who tried to give someone, who apparently knew not much about something, some advice from where to start gathering some information ...

Good luck on what ever you might do or decide, just try not to loose your way on your return to the africa forum...

Where in the original post to it seem like I spoke with an outfitter who didn't know?

The information I received was 3rd hand and was just from someone I know.

Why did it seem like I needed an outfitter recommendation?

Again, if I need a referral, I am more than capable of asking for one.

If I was in need of a new outfitter in the future( I already have a guy in Argentina I've used) then all this unsolicited pushing toward Juan will actually turn me off to the idea.

Do you see people on the other forums recommending a guide when they ask "when does duck season in Ohio end?". What part says, please recommend a guide to me?

Well, so it appears that you limit your actions just upto where you were told to, something which I don´t ....

Whenever I read something (even more when the media is an internet forum with members all around the world, where so many cultures, behaviours and idiosyncracies are mixed up) I always try to figure out the ultimate motive that might have made that poster to write what he eventually did... and in your case, to me it seemed that an hypothetical goose hunt in Argentina apparently seemed to be frustated (at least I won´t ever ask when does duck season ends in Ohio if I have no intention whatsoever to go there ... but that´s just me, you might have some other ways of thinking )

Goose hunt being suddenly closed was something so unexpected and troublesome that anyone related to this activity - being whether a guide or a client, and in this country of course - should have positively known from some rather long time ago ... and if you didn´t, it was just because :

a) you didn´t have anyone (guide or whatever) to tell you or
b) the one guide (or guy ) you did have is not that "serious" and didn´t tell you just because he didn´t want to loose the profit you represented - and would take you to hunt illegally no matter what, or
c) you are not too much involved in the goose hunt activity in Argentina

Option c) was discarded for the same reason I wrote in the second paragraph (ohio comparison) so that left me two alternatives, a) and b).

Any of them both indicated that you might have needed a trustable guide, and that´s when I made my mistake on you: to try to help a fellow member with some piece of information I could offer (I remark the term "offer"), which could save him not only some time but mainly some major legal problems...

Now, all your bla bla bla regarding you own ability to ask or find your own guide and that my answer was a sort of a seller one, only denotes your own insecurity and was, in some point, quite offensive to me, specially concerning my best intentions involved ...

My knowledgement of the present hunting world indicates that whenever you are supposed to pay for something, you should be smart enough to make every needed research so as to convince yourself that you are paying for the best service that amount would allow you to have ... if you don´t act that way, its upto you since you will deal by yourself with the consequences - but I assumed you will eventually do your own research, reccomending "one" very efficient and trustable guide I know and from where to start gathering all needed info (and of course he is not the only one, just the one I would reccomend... you should look after some more alternatives, and then we will all appreciate you to reccomend us what you might eventually find out - that´s the ultimate help this forum could provide us all, to exchange possitive experiences (and/or negatives) we might all enjoy (and/or avoid) someday by ourselves )

Lastly, I do not know your age nor is my intention to educate nobody, but whenever I ask something, if the answer is not what I expected I just said nothing, or at least "thank you", not childish things as "stop selling around things I haven´t asked for because I am capable of asking so if that was my intention"... if the info provided is usefull, just use it - if not let it go by ...

I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend? I asked a question, Juan and yourself answered it and it appears you got excited at the opportunity to get Juan some business and threw that in.

Normally, I would not bother to respond, but enough Juan selling already. Everything thread on this board has Juan selling going on.

If the post is "I need a guide", then great, recommend Juan.

If the post is "I have a trip booked and my guide just said goose season was cancelled, what do I do", then great, recommend Juan.

If the post is "my guide has run off with my money and I still want to hunt", then great, recommend Juan.

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Originally posted by GMaxson:
I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend? I asked a question, Juan and yourself answered it and it appears you got excited at the opportunity to get Juan some business and threw that in.

(.....)

Ffffff... this is getting rather boring

Why is it to hard to comprehend ??? That´s just what I asked myself about your own offensive attitude given your own missunderstanding... I even wrote all my thinking process about why I tried to help you with some piece of info I thought you needed, read ANY of my previous posts ....but it appears I am not that good explaning something or you are no that good to understand something ...

Dude, if you don´t need any guide, advice, outfitter or what-so-ever you just didn´t need to follow my advice and that´s the end of it ... you can even come to Argentina and try to hunt geese wherever you may want and with whom you might feel like, it´s your decision, your risk, your experience... in fact I can´t care less...

YOU and only you felt that I got excited to get Juan into this business ... so keep that completely wrong and rather low interpretation to yourself and don´t write that that was my purpose because it wasn´t ....

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Originally posted by GMaxson:
(.....)

Normally, I would not bother to respond, but enough Juan selling already. Everything thread on this board has Juan selling going on.

(....)

Again, your own rather more than basic (and wrong) interpretation in action .... let me tell you that so far my own feeling is that you are resentfull about Juan, a feeling I leave it to yourself to deal with ...

Actually you are free to feel whatever your senses & attributes would let you feel, but if indeed that is the case, well, just don t buy any of Juan´s sellings (at least the ones you felt I was promoting) ... for the record, I have to recognize that indeed many threads in this board are about experiences related to Juan and his clients ... but I don`t expect you to notice the difference between your statement and mine.

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Originally posted by GMaxson:
(....)

If the post is "I need a guide", then great, recommend Juan.

If the post is "I have a trip booked and my guide just said goose season was cancelled, what do I do", then great, recommend Juan.

If the post is "my guide has run off with my money and I still want to hunt", then great, recommend Juan.

If the post is "what is happening to goose season in Argentina" then recommend Juan, so as to let YOU (the interested one) to ask someone trustable about the real implicances of the subject that concerned YOU (at least THAT is what I tried to do, but evidently with the wrong guy )


Regards,

GMaxon afrikaader doesnt belong to my hunting business he only tried to help you ,besides that HE DOESNT NEED TO DO THIS FOR MONEY BECAUSE HES IN EXCELENT ECONOMIC POSITION and belongs to a traditional and appreciated family of my country ,at least appreciated by real patriots.We only try to help you ,but make you a favour and hunt in our PATAGONIA OUR GEESE YOU WILL LIKE IT.JUAN

Mr.GMaxson,Juan, Afrikaander:



Guys, time is money!!! spend it: hunting (Posting Hunts), drinking or fu.... !!! Guillermo.

Guille im waiting for you last week end we have been i the bush with Cristian,Andres ,iki and Lauti -Cris son- we hunted a lot and in the middle of la canada we made a barbecue on the floor ,after that we hunted hares with the spolithg and we killed a male foxe of incredible size.Juan

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Originally posted by Guillermo Amestoy:
Mr.GMaxson,Juan, Afrikaander:



Guys, time is money!!! spend it: hunting (Posting Hunts), drinking or fu.... !!! Guillermo.

Well, wish I could !!!

As a matter of fact just now I am lying on my bed (due to medical´s prescription) since I am just recovering myself from a strong flu that kept me away some days from my usual activities... in fact this past weekend I was supposed to visit a very good friend to go hunting together but couldn´t be ... you know: men propose but God decides !!

So the only thing related to hunt (about the other two I can only tell you that I can`t complain myself ) I could do is to pick my notebook, connect to AR and try to occupy my time reading and writing, participating here a little bit more than I usually can ... and this little thing here entertained me somehow more than expected

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Originally posted by juanpozzi:
GMaxon afrikaader doesnt belong to my hunting business he only tried to help you ,besides that HE DOESNT NEED TO DO THIS FOR MONEY BECAUSE HES IN EXCELENT ECONOMIC POSITION and belongs to a traditional and appreciated family of my country ,at least appreciated by real patriots.We only try to help you ,but make you a favour and hunt in our PATAGONIA OUR GEESE YOU WILL LIKE IT.JUAN

Don´t waste your time Juan ... sadly it seems that Mr GMaxson measures everything in money terms and conveniences (due to his own limitations ??), and can´t understand that friendship cannot be bought nor paid...

Well, enough of myself in here, I am out !