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This boar picture was sent to me by my pal, Nainital, from Buenos Aires. He told me that his friend, Maurizio Vecchi, shot this boar some years ago....what a monster! He used a short barreled 375.  "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | ||
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Bill: thanks again for your quick answer.  | |||
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nice boar   A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user.” ― Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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Ricardo, just for the sake of trueness, that's a cimarrón or pure european?? Sure looks like a cimarrón!!  Anyway, a fantastic trophy by any standards.  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ColdBore 1.0 - the ballistics/reloading software solution http://www.patagoniaballistics.com | |||
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Gustavo,.....I think you need a new pair of glasses  That is as pure as we can find in our countries, we all know that there are very or none pure wildboars left. They all have some domestic blood in them despite looking exactly a pure european wild boar. They have the phenotype but not the genotype. The cimarrones are originaly 100% domestic but due to many years and many generations in the wild they have done a genetic return towards their wild origin. If they have any european wild boar blood in them is very little, they are just wild hairy hogs. Something different are some of the pigs I have seen posted by Juan Pozzi, you can see they are a more "fresh" cross breed between domestic and wild boars. I think they must be common in the area near the province of Cordoba as I haven't seen them in other areas. In Uruguay we find them sometimes but they are more an accident than the normal thing. 90% of the wild pigs here (as the same than in Argentina) looks more like european wild boars than domestic ones). L | |||
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Gustavo: the boar was shot in the Luan Toro area in La Pampa Province. Like you very well know, the purebreeds were introduced there by Luro in the first years of the XXth Century. Thus there were much mixing with domestic lines. This notwithstanding, these are wild animals, as pure as you can find today. | |||
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Lorenzo, Yes, you are right...and probably I chose the wrong expression. I know, for sure that the hog at hand doesn't look domestic, but since the size is suspicious then my question to Ricardo. I guess that the assertion by Ricardo is probably the best answer. At least for me looks like a crossbreed. I have chased many hogs, some them very pure and as many others can affirm they don't grow that much. Maybe in Uruguay due to the some radioactive materials (byproducts of the cellulose plant) they grow much bigger!!!  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ColdBore 1.0 - the ballistics/reloading software solution http://www.patagoniaballistics.com | |||
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Gustavo: some years ago a friend of mine guided a Mr. O´Farrell, who shot a boar weighing 270 kilos on the hoof. I´ve seen the pictures and this boar shot by Maurizio seems a dwarf against that. Unfortunately, I only can rescue some of these pictures, which are pinned to a wall in an estancia, the property of Mr. Jorge GarcÃa of Carro Quemado. Thus I can´t post the aforementioned pictures, at least for the moment. Also, I remember that 30 years ago a boar weighing 313 kilos was recorded and the story published in the disappeared magazine "Safari". This last "hogzilla" was indeed a crossbreed but Mr. O´Farrell´s was one of the purests hogs I´ve seen.Furthermore, the BahÃa Creek area near Viedma in RÃo Negro Province, all the years produces one or two of these monsters, crossbreeds or not. Of course, I know that the BahÃa de Samborombón area also should be "the place" for finding enormous hogs with long tusks. But I´m still pursuing my enemy, old Black Demon of El Durazno. Ah, he and  the pumas there wiped out the entire stock of 30 sheep. | |||
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Bill and Gustavo did you remeber the hog taxidermized in my house that i killed in Choele Choel ,this hog is smaller that it indeed ,mine has 30cms tusks and its bigger ,in that area apparently the boars are pure russian boars althgou nobody can assure that .On respect to the area of la canada and mar chiquita where we hunt yes there are huge boars but they have feral boar blood ,in Malbran where we hunt too there are 50 and 50 ,but in SAN CRISTOBAL Santa Fe they are 90 percent feral or domestic they are called caracoleros because they eat snells .On respect to Bahia creek hogs there are different all coastal hogs are dark black long hair big size its origin domestic hogs from the spanish settlers.Juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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Juan: please post at once the picture of your hog with tusks measuring 30 centimeters. I´m eager to see it, that´s the equal of a 200-plus pounder elephant!! | |||
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The photo of it is in my website in who we are ,the credit of this hunt is to my wife grandfather at 83 he stayed with me all the nigth in the PATAGONIA in july waiting for this famous hog i only shot it but he put me on it when we skinned it we found bullets of 9mm ,pellets a slug etc ,Bill has a photo of it ,then we killed some giant hogs but are 80 percent domestic in SAN CRISTOBAL SANTA FE area .Juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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Just for the sake of comparison, you may look at two boars: the first one from Iran and the second from Ukania. The second shows something like wool, which I´ve also found in La Pampa Province during the winter. By the way, both hogs are very, very big in anyone´s standards.   | |||
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My argentine piggie resting peacefully  Gus & Lorenzo, Que pasa Feliz Navidad Mike  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Hi Mike! Good to hear from you again! BTW, nice boar and seems to be a very pure good one! Hope to have you down here again, let us know! Merry Christmas  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ColdBore 1.0 - the ballistics/reloading software solution http://www.patagoniaballistics.com | |||
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Ricardo. How about one of those big guys with the cuchillo?  And Mike, good on ya!  "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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Bill: I´m no knife expert, but one of these was killed the last year in San Luis Province, after shaking off eight dogs (not all of them dogos it should be noted). The boy with the knife didn´t realize at the moment the kind of trophy he got. That hog was aged at 23 years old and his front foot was as big as mi closed fist, it missed a toe thus the beast was easily recognized. The tusks were stolen, I believe. | |||
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Ill send the photo of my boars to bill so he can post it ,i have the tusks too,i killed it with my old cz308 and winchester silvertips .Juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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I am not sure if this is the one Juan was referring to, but he will post a reply and explain this 350 kilo monster......  "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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No this isnt the boar ,this is a giant boar killed in my farm but its a feral hog that caused a lot of damage to the croplands in the neighbour farms we killed it with 5 shotgun shots and 3 40sw shots and the aid of my dogos one of the lanhuel seriously injured by it.The boar im refering was killed in the patagonia in ChOELE CHOEL specifically .Juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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Thats a huge pig! "Let me start off with two words: Made in America" | |||
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Round ears...look for round ears. Cross breeds have more pointed ears. Also straight tails, a kind of wool under their hair during the winter, big heads, smaller and thinner in the back, no pink or clear spots in their noses or hoofs, etc, etc. L | |||
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Lorenzo. I am hardly an expert, and I agree with you on the straight tails, but I have seen photos of pure Russians with both rounded ears and pointed ones.  "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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Maybe yes but for me.... Take a look at the pig that started this topic and at the one Mike Detorre posted, both very pure and both with rounded ears, but there isn't only one truth, many many times I have been wrong assuming something as correct for years to finaly discover that I was wrong so maybe rounded years are not exclusive to pure european wild boars. But for me.... L | |||
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As said by Lorenzo the ears say a lot.The hogs we take here in Louisiana and in Texas most often have ears that stand erect and are more rounded.The ones we took in Argentina near Juan's farm had longer pointed ears that flopped over instead of standing erect.Looked not to far removed from the feedlot. We seldom get to choose But I've seen them go both ways And I would rather go out in a blaze of glory Than to slowly rot away! | |||
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Mike Pickering see the boars taken by Bill Berlat dont you think they have mostly russian blood ,besides that its true that in my area Santiago Buenos Aires and Santa Fe the hogs are mostly feral indeed in San Cristobal dont have Russian blood at all but the importance for knife or pistol hunters is the agresivness too Bills boars almost killed Esquel.Juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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Another big boar was killed 4 kms north of my farm near a farm of willy s friend where we saw the puma with billinthewild it was a female and weigthed 340 kilos was killed by a patient of mine.Juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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Carajo!!! 340 kilos. You should take that hog to that man who has the small restaurant we went to the one night. He could make enough sausage and salami to feed an army.  "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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It was a sow of domestic blood it was killed near the farm where we saw the puma in a flooded cornfield ,there were a lot of hogs there .The patient show me the photos ill go next week end.Juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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In Europe pure wild boar top out at around 250kg or 500lbs. The one in the original photo looks pretty pure, but as I think everyone agrees the 340kg pig does not. | |||
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The second pig wasnt russian ,its only a feral pig of great size and incredible tusks that injured badly my dogos .Juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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