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I have my appointment at 3 PM tomorrow to get the papers form the Consular. The following is what I learned thus far. There are a number of consular offices across the USA. Each of these handle a specific geographical area. They will handle applications from their respective area ONLY. I have a list of the offices if anyone wants to see it. PM me. As odd as it sounds, each office handles these matters differently and the rules are changing. For example, the consular in Atlanta will handle things via FEDEX. Others require an in person visit. More changes are expected. I am lucky (sarcasm there) that I get to drive to Miami and back to get my documents. That is over 500 miles round trip. I have an appointment at 3 PM tomorrow. The following is what they wanted: 1- 3 completed copies of a form that is substantially similar to what RENAR wanted prior to the new law. 2- 3 photos with a white background. 3- Passport 4- Original receipts for the gun purchases including serial numbers. 5- 4457 form 6- copies of hunting permits and address in Argentina where I will be hunting. 7- Money order for $40. 8- Plane tickets to and from Argentina. Other comments are as follows: 1- I am not certain that they can speak English at the Consular. Fortunately, I have 2 people here in my office who are fluent in Spanish. 2- David Perez of Flyways does not think the law will be changed. However, he thinks changes will be made to make it easier. Something similar to the reciprocity fee. If anything new is learned tomorrow, I will post. | ||
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Thanks, Larry. This is similar, but not exactly the same as what the consulate in Los Angeles told me. For example, they didn't ask for photos, just a copy of the first page of my passport. And they havn't asked for hunting permits or the address of the lodge, just the outfitter's name. No mention of original gun purchase docs. And, they haven't decided if I need to go in person, or whether they'll handle it all via mail. I live in Arizona, btw. So, I await more info from the LA office. Looking forward to hearing about your experience. Thanks for your leadership on this. Best.......TWL 114-R10David | |||
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I just got back from DSC. I talked to at least 5 Argentina outfitters; they all had different stories. They ranged from "visit the cousul" to you don't need to. One even said they issue the permits right at the Renar office at the airport of arrival. The most encouraging one said, bring your guns, if they don't allow them they will keep them for you at the airport and return them when you leave. They all agreed that they are working to change it. Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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Well, it is done. It took 1 hour 24 minutes to get the permit after driving about 265 miles. The only surprise was that they asked for a U.S. Hunting license. This was never mentioned before. I asked if I would have to do this again If I took the same guns on a future trip. I was told that I would have to seek new permits. | |||
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The bureaucrates sure know how to take the fun out of hunting. | |||
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Let me add some other comments. I was questioned about the location of where I am going to hunt. In spite of having gone 12 times before, I could not provide a location other than a ridiculously general description. It might be worthwhile getting a more precise location from your outfitter. | |||
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Since I would have to travel to Los Angeles from Seattle, I will pretty much cross Argentina off my list. | |||
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Why don't you fly Seattle to DFW then on from there. Los Angelos is not the only airport out of the US? Founding member of the 7MM STW club Member of the Texas Cull Hunters Association | |||
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I believe rodell is referring to the requirement that he appear in person at the Argentine Los Angeles consulate which serves Seattle. That's also my problem. Because the LA consulate serves Arizona, I must also go through them. Leave it to the government, any government, and especailly a socialist one, to screw things up. 114-R10David | |||
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Ok in that case I do not blame him. Founding member of the 7MM STW club Member of the Texas Cull Hunters Association | |||
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TWL is correct. I would have to fly to LA in advance, with all the attendant expenses and hassle. Many don't bother; they use the PH's guns. For me, continued use of my personal firearm is important to me on a hunt. I load for it, practice with it, and I intend to hunt with it. I went to Argentina in March of 2014 for big game. If this nonsense had been in place I wouldn't have gone. | |||
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I am told that they have an association of dove outfitters. They are pressing for changes. They do not think the law will change. However, they might make it easier to deal with. For example, the ability to register remotely. | |||
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Just got an email response from the Los Angeles office. I must appear in person, as will everyone who lives in the Western US served by the Los Angeles office. In order to make a $40USD fee to fulfill a bureaucratic process, they are risking the loss of a $10K USD infusion to their economy. And I'm just ONE visitor. Going to look very hard at a return to Uruguay. 114-R10David | |||
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So is all this new for 2015? I have always just cleared guns at airport in BA. This will be a true mess and cost them possibly millions of dollars. I am taking 10 guys down next year and most live no where close to a consolate. At least when you do this system for Spain, you can mail it in. Good Hunting, Tim Herald Worldwide Trophy Adventures tim@trophyadventures.com | |||
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It is new Tim. I agree 100%. I am far less likely to go. | |||
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So now that we are committed to go, a question arises. The Benellis that we rent, can they be set up, converted, for a left hand shooter. They come from the factory with an allowance to do that. One of the shooters won't go if he has to shoot a gun with castoff. We can't get any info from the lodge either, maybe they don't know about this feature, Anyone? Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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Jim: Do you know which model Benelli? | |||
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Let me add that we just checked in for our flights. Delta was looking for the paperwork that I had. Sounds like it is being enforced. | |||
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Most Benellis have a shim between the stock and receiver. This is just a guess, but I think you could flip it over from a right hand cast to a left hand cast. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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jim is going to shoot a benelli     who's gonna fix it  maybe they will just duct tape one under the other  | |||
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I have a further update. Delta asked for these documents when we checked in. Also RENAR asked for them immediately upon our arrival at their office. Other than that , nothing changed. | |||
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Here's another update. After getting an email from the Los Angeles Consulate telling me it was necessary to complete this process in person, I sent a formal letter via US Mail requesting a waiver. I explained that I lived in Arizona and that it was not practical to travel to Los Angeles to get this done. I offered to send certified copies of all the documents they wanted, and added that I would also pay any additonal mailing / Fed Ex charges the consulate may incur. They responded by basically telling me to pound sand...... Show up in person, or forget it. Time to go to Uruguay. 114-R10David | |||
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Sounds just as dealing with the American embassies. Everything has to be done in person. | |||
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It is going to cost this country a lot of money. | |||
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I have some friends coming down this year for Red Stag, they live in UT, and as far as I can tell, LA is the consulate for them. Please, if you don't mind, would you share more details on what is required (paperwork, IDs, etc) and a contact number or person at the consulate? Thanks in advance for your help. I truly hope RENAR will stop this non-sense soon... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ColdBore 1.0 - the ballistics/reloading software solution http://www.patagoniaballistics.com | |||
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I wonder why they do not do it the same way as African countries. Where the outfitter organizes everything at the airport in that country?? | |||
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Gustavo: The Los Angeles Consulate serves Utah. The consulate phone number is 323-954-9155. Its hours of operation are from 0900 to 1500, Pacific time, Monday through Friday. The email addresses are: clang.cancilleria.gov.ar clang.mrecic.gov.ar Here's what they told me I needed--in triplicate: A Argentine Government form, which they will provide, that requires the serial numbers of your guns, passport and personal info. Full facial photos taken with a white background. Your passport. Sales receipts or invoices for the original purchase of the guns you plan to take. US Customs form 4457. Name and address of the outfitter, as well as the lodge, ranch, or farm where you will be staying while you are hunting. A US hunting license. ( Don't ask. I can't explain this one.) Airline tickets with the complete round trip itinerary, including any Argentina domestic flights. I tried to discuss this matter personally via telephone, but frankly had a difficult time as the staff who took the call could barely speak English, and I speak almost no Spanish. I was referred to the consulate website and asked to submit my questions via email. I intend to make another call to the consulte this week and again appeal the matter, using a friend who is fluent in Spanish. I have been in contact with 2 Argentine outfitters who tell me a group of outfitters is appealing to the government to ease these restrictions, or at least allow them to be completed via mail. I'll be at SCI next week and will continue my follow-up of the matter. Best........TWL 114-R10David | |||
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TWL: Your list is consistent with what I had to do in FL. I just got back from Argentina today. I can tell you that there is a lot of activity on this matter trying to make this easier. How long that will take is anyone's guess. | |||
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TWL, Thanks a lot for such a great detailed report!! I truly hope our local SCI chapter moves forward and do something really soon. What they are asking is basically what RENAR form requires...so the consulate is basically replicating the same info twice! Again, thank a lot and I look forward for your upcoming SCI report. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ColdBore 1.0 - the ballistics/reloading software solution http://www.patagoniaballistics.com | |||
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I am half way thru the paper work process with the Atlanta office. You do not have to appear in person!! You just have to provide a pre-paid envelope for them to mail your permit back to you. Mostly they wanted general information: Personal info Copy of passport firearm info outfitter info I filled out a pdf they sent me and they sent it back. I know have to get the form notarized with a photo and money order and mail it in. Silliest thing they wanted is a current hunting license. When I questioned this, they said it demonstrated that you were authorized to use a long gun by your government. LOL I have walked in the foot prints of the elephant, listened to lion roar and met the buffalo on his turf. I shall never be the same. | |||
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Consider yourself lucky. I would be happy to deal with this if it was like the Atlanta office. | |||
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I think I just crossed them Argentina off my list of potential countries to ever visit, let alone hunt. Socialism and ignorance/stupidity are a deadly combination it appears... | |||
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The thing that gets me is the Atlanta consulate and the Chicago one do not do it the same. Chicago office is insistent that you appear in person, no mail-ins. Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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100% in agreement. Same with Miami and LA. The thing that gets me is the same guns I took have been taken about 10 times. | |||
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Pretty close to what one needs to do to bring a gun to US... | |||
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Chiefen, my yearly battle to bring some guns in Alaska when we go fihsing and hunting small game and waterfowl ... is getting worse and worse for aliens .... | |||
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Well, here is a post script to our debacle. weather in Chicago, got to the airport early and had our flight changed to earlier one. Got to ORD and snowing like hell, got on the ground and to the gate, Loaded up for MIA, taxied to the active (still snowing like hell) pilot says, "I'm not gonna do it", taxi back to the gate, cancel flight, no more that night, all full tomorrow and the next day out of MIA for COR. *#5%$-it back to MSP next day, cancel trip, can't rebook for additonal two days there. Good new is we got back to MSP ok, two of our partie's bags made it back to MSP, two others, one mine, ended up in LIMA PERU. Go figger, here it is four days later, still no luiggage. Now they tell me the bags made it to COR. Glad we didn't take our guns. Jim Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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I hear they are now going to limit this requirement to semi-autos. | |||
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I made the rounds at SCI and discussed this with almost all the Argentine outfitters. The responses varied. Paraphrased responses went along these lines: "Don't worry, bring your guns. We have an 'understanding' with the police." "We heard just yesterday the rules have changed. Over & unders will be allowed without a consultate letter." "We heard just yesterday the rules have changed. No letter needed....at all....for any gun." "Until this is sorted out, I'll waive the rental fee and loan you a gun." This isn't something to take a chance on, in my view. I'd not do ANYTHING other than what your regional consulate office requires. Do you want to risk a firearms violation in another country? 114-R10David | |||
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