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Originally posted by Cumbrian:
Am I right in thinking that it is much easier to bring over & unders and side by sides into the country?

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Originally posted by TWL:
Just returned from Argentina. One member of our party brought his own O/U. This gun import scenario is exactly 1 week old:

On arrival: client picks up gun in baggage claim area, goes directly to police office, where he is met by outfitter. Paper process, serial number checked. Client goes to bank, which is inside secure area, leaving gun w/police, pays for permit and returns to police with proof of payment, retrieves gun and goes to customs for more paperwork. Leaves through customs with gun.

Paperwork, among other things, essentially puts gun in the temporary legal custody of the outfitter, whose signature is required.

Arrival process took about 2 hours because of the number of guns coming off the several flights arriving at about the same time.

Hunting party goes to hotel for overnight in BA, outfitter keeps gun in his custody.

Departure: Client and outfitter go to ticket counter and declare gun. Airline agent takes physical custody of gun and directs client and outfitter to follow him to police office. Police check gun & paperwork, give gun back to airline agent. Client, agent and outfitter go to customs for more paperwork and return to ticket counter where gun is loaded onto the baggage belt by the agent. Process took about 20 minutes.

Other than the multi-layered process and the time investment, the only glitch was that the outfitter who accompanied client through departure process was different than the one on arrival. Police didn't care, customs eventually signed off, but gave the outfitter a tongue lashing.

Because the gun was an O/U, client wasn't required to go through any pre-trip process to obtain a consulate letter, which is required when bringing an auto-loader. Once on the ground in BA, however, the actual process is identical for either a breach-loader or an auto-loader.

As I said, this intel is only 1 week old. Hope this helps those trying to make a decision on this issue.

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Originally posted by TWL:
My most recent experience was in June of last year. A member of our party had all the necessary papers he needed before arrival at Buenos Aires. There were no administrative issues at all.

Yet, it still took him almost 2 hours to go through the process. He had to first claim his gun case, then go to the police, then to customs, then back to the police. And they all asked to see his paperwork at every step along the way.

The hidden problem for the client in this mess is that outfitters are now renting guns for as much as $100 per day, thereby adding this cost to the bottom line of the hunt. Its become a new revenue source for the outfitters, at the expense of the clients.

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Originally posted by Gustavo:

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Originally posted by TWL:
My most recent experience was in June of last year. A member of our party had all the necessary papers he needed before arrival at Buenos Aires. There were no administrative issues at all.

Yet, it still took him almost 2 hours to go through the process. He had to first claim his gun case, then go to the police, then to customs, then back to the police. And they all asked to see his paperwork at every step along the way.

The hidden problem for the client in this mess is that outfitters are now renting guns for as much as $100 per day, thereby adding this cost to the bottom line of the hunt. Its become a new revenue source for the outfitters, at the expense of the clients.

It's a shame no questioning it. Hopefully in the near future the authorities will do better.

Have you had to go to an Arg consulate to clear your paperwork or not? That's the key question for me, because the form required can be downloaded, it's the consulate thing that is hated the most.

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I would love to hunt Argentina, but I won't deal with all that B.S., or use someone else's guns

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Yes you can but you have to jump through the hoops.

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Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
I have an opportunity to purchase a discounted hunt to a David Denies lodge. I need to know if one can really bring our own guns into Argentina. What's the bottom line? Does anyone really know?

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Originally posted by Santiago_DM:
The process is easy. Its time consuming but easy. You have to fill a the informed in earlier reply police form in triplecate. Firarm basic info along ur personal info. You will have to present this form to Renar police office after migrations checkpoint and before heading for customs scanners. Outfitter must inform that with precise instructions. After presenting the forms to police and get their sign, you will head for customd scanners were they will check again the papers and the guns. At this point, the outfitter must present in advamce some paperwork to validate the temporary impottation. Its simple but everybody has to present papers. The 2 checkpoints can take from 20min to 1 hour.

At the return, you need to be at the airport early cause custom needs yo close the temporary importation. The airline will inform police that u are carrying guns, checkpoint again and customs will process the conclusion of the temprary impo, outfitter responsible has to present papers to conclude it.

Its not complex but everybody needs to present papers. Also, you need to pay a fee at the aiport. There is a 24hs "bank" to do so.
We receive lot of big game hunters every year (shotgun or rifles is the same) and we have developed a seamless process with a legal representative there in Ezeiza. Its important to check this in advance with your selected outfitter.

Also important. If u are entering with o/u shotguns, you can enter several times with same process. If you are entering other guns (ie. Rifles) the first time follows the same above procedure but for the second and following times you will need a an additional paper.. a letter/acknowledgement from your local Argentina Consulate.

Hope this helps.
Santiago Diaz Mathé
Manager
Poitahue Hunting Ranch
La Pampa - Argentina
US phone +1 214 329 9013

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Originally posted by Bwana1:

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Originally posted by Santiago_DM:
The process is easy. Its time consuming but easy. You have to fill a the informed in earlier reply police form in triplecate. Firarm basic info along ur personal info. You will have to present this form to Renar police office after migrations checkpoint and before heading for customs scanners. Outfitter must inform that with precise instructions. After presenting the forms to police and get their sign, you will head for customd scanners were they will check again the papers and the guns. At this point, the outfitter must present in advamce some paperwork to validate the temporary impottation. Its simple but everybody has to present papers. The 2 checkpoints can take from 20min to 1 hour.

At the return, you need to be at the airport early cause custom needs yo close the temporary importation. The airline will inform police that u are carrying guns, checkpoint again and customs will process the conclusion of the temprary impo, outfitter responsible has to present papers to conclude it.

Its not complex but everybody needs to present papers. Also, you need to pay a fee at the aiport. There is a 24hs "bank" to do so.
We receive lot of big game hunters every year (shotgun or rifles is the same) and we have developed a seamless process with a legal representative there in Ezeiza. Its important to check this in advance with your selected outfitter.

Also important. If u are entering with o/u shotguns, you can enter several times with same process. If you are entering other guns (ie. Rifles) the first time follows the same above procedure but for the second and following times you will need a an additional paper.. a letter/acknowledgement from your local Argentina Consulate.

Hope this helps.
Santiago Diaz Mathé
Manager
Poitahue Hunting Ranch
La Pampa - Argentina
US phone +1 214 329 9013

Yes, this sounds easy, but this process can take hours waiting for Renar to do their job. When a plane load of 20 hunters with guns all arrive at once, be prepared to wait hours. Same leaving the country. Do not let Argentine outfitters tell you otherwise.

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Originally posted by Bwana1:

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Originally posted by Santiago_DM:
The process is easy. Its time consuming but easy. You have to fill a the informed in earlier reply police form in triplecate. Firarm basic info along ur personal info. You will have to present this form to Renar police office after migrations checkpoint and before heading for customs scanners. Outfitter must inform that with precise instructions. After presenting the forms to police and get their sign, you will head for customd scanners were they will check again the papers and the guns. At this point, the outfitter must present in advamce some paperwork to validate the temporary impottation. Its simple but everybody has to present papers. The 2 checkpoints can take from 20min to 1 hour.

At the return, you need to be at the airport early cause custom needs yo close the temporary importation. The airline will inform police that u are carrying guns, checkpoint again and customs will process the conclusion of the temprary impo, outfitter responsible has to present papers to conclude it.

Its not complex but everybody needs to present papers. Also, you need to pay a fee at the aiport. There is a 24hs "bank" to do so.
We receive lot of big game hunters every year (shotgun or rifles is the same) and we have developed a seamless process with a legal representative there in Ezeiza. Its important to check this in advance with your selected outfitter.

Also important. If u are entering with o/u shotguns, you can enter several times with same process. If you are entering other guns (ie. Rifles) the first time follows the same above procedure but for the second and following times you will need a an additional paper.. a letter/acknowledgement from your local Argentina Consulate.

Hope this helps.
Santiago Diaz Mathé
Manager
Poitahue Hunting Ranch
La Pampa - Argentina
US phone +1 214 329 9013

Yes, this sounds easy, but this process can take hours waiting for Renar to do their job. When a plane load of 20 hunters with guns all arrive at once, be prepared to wait hours. Same leaving the country. Do not let Argentine outfitters tell you otherwise.