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Seems Elon can scream and threaten his production line, but at the end of the day it's just looking more and more difficult for Tesla.
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Geeeez sorta feel sorry for the suckers purchasing their tent cars. Testing? We don't need no stinking testing...
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Tesla is falling out of flavor. | |||
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What about the sucker who is long tesla stock? Mike
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No comment from the Church of Tesla cool aid drinkers? | |||
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Comment? COMMENT? Are you nuts? What is there to comment on? No one knows. I am going to keep my powder dry. What REALLY puzzles me is "why this interest in Tesla"? It is only because the far right (you know, the patriots) would LOVE to see Tesla, an Amerfican company, fail. Why? Well because it goes against what the bible says: "Drill baby drill", from that well know biblical scholar Sarah Palin! Peter Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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You are funny. I'll give you that much. Blinded by hatred of anything that doesn't conform with the wack-a-doodle far left political position, but funny none the less. Actually my concerns with Tesla have nothing to do with left / right politics but more with a cult like following of a fella who has yet to achieve any of his wild claims, while keeping his company afloat primarily with government hand outs, without ever turning a legitimate profit. When Musk meets criticism by making ever increasing wilder proclamations of his business plans, all without achieving his past promises and claims, then holds his hand out for more money, whether it be in the form of governmental hand outs or gullible clients in order to keep an unproven business model afloat, YEP, you can call me dubious. It's the mark of snake oil sales!!! I got a kick out of Mike's proclamation in one of the earlier threads about Musk's model being a great example of disruptive capitalism. Man, that one really cracked me up. Disruptive Capitalism is where changes to the market are brought forth by organically funded innovation, either in the form of better products, better distribution channels, or a combination of similar forces. Similar market disruption funded primarily through government handouts can't be labeled capitalism! For sure, there is a thin line between genius and kook. It's often very hard to determine which is which until after the fact. Amazon is often touted as an example. However, Bezos actually made operating profits along the way and continued to show losses for years simply because of re-investments into his business model. Steve Jobs was certainly a similar "change the world" type of visionary and had his critics. He did at least show signs of meeting his claims and projections and his futuristic plans and promises appeared to be based on a track record of accomplishments along the way, at least most of the time. So if Musk "changes the world" of personal transportation, I'll be the first to say I was wrong. Something tells me I won't be making such a proclamation. Maybe I still remember the ENRON fiasco too clearly. You know, back when Wall Street and the entire world of industry, especially the energy industry, were proclaiming them to be the "Smartest Guys in the Room"? Been there before. There are enough similarities of things that "just don't add up" that I won't be standing in line for my Dixie Cup of Tesla Kool Aid. | |||
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Todd, the Enron scandal resulted in CRIMINAL charges against Enron executives. I remember it well. Are you suggesting something similar with Musk/Tesla? If so, please let us know what you have. While I cannot disagree with a lot of what you say in your last post, the simple fact is that Musk HAS changed a lot of things with the Tesla Company, the Powerwall product, solar tiles, SpaceX, as well as his plans for underground mass transit. Which ones will be successful I don't know, but I certainly hope that he succeeds, rather than wishing/hoping for failure. Why not just wait and see? Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Peter not sure why you want to make this about politics, but the conversation is not political but practical. Tesla is in trouble. The question is, can Musk figure out how to become profitable before the company craters. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Tesla continues to be one of the most shorted stocks on Wall Street.
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No it isn't! You are confusing the continued existence of Tesla ( for example, you bounce between Musk and Tesla) with whether or not Tesla is a good investment at this price! There is some evidence that Tesla is going to succeed at producing the number of cars they say they will, however, this does NOT mean that Tesla is a good investment at current pricing. So, it may well be a good company, but not a good investment. If you can't understand this then I give up. From your own quote above: "The sellers haven't developed in Tesla." Peter Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Wow Peter. Not sure you understand how publicly traded companies operate but there are a whole bunch of analysts who are intimately familiar with every facet of Tesla's operations and they are not convinced Tesla/Musk can pull off their ambitious goals. Good companies make for good investments. Bad companies are shorted as investors and market makers are betting against success. Tesla is one of the most shorted stocks on Wall Street. If you are paying attention, that should mean something... Maybe Tesla is the second coming, maybe they aren't. Maybe they make it, maybe they don't, but with tax credits drying up and the many missteps made by management, the shine is certainly wearing off. If Musk craters, let's hope others can learn from his mistakes. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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I think Peter is misinterpreting that statement of "betting against success" to mean "Hoping for failure". That's not the case. The "betting against success" is nothing more than an objective realization that the company hasn't met its targets and hasn't performed as expected, and taking into account current and forecast market forces, it appears the chances of success are becoming more remote. That's NOT "Hoping for failure". The problem as I see it is the cult mentality of ignoring the warning signs that would clearly be heeded in the case of the typical public company. I mean, the very definition of cult mentality is a group that has surrendered normal skepticism when red flags appear, due to the leadership of an unconventional figure head. Being "inside the bubble" in other words. Peter, regarding ENRON, no I don't have evidence of Musk committing criminal acts. I'm more referring to people willing to suspend skepticism because they believe the leadership is working on a different or higher level of intelligence. I see similarities from that standpoint. | |||
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Ask opus ar resident bullshit artist who has claimed to be long tesla and been buying regularly over the last 5 years Mike | |||
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Todd - I agree. I'm no fan of Jim Cramer but he nailed both points: 1. No one can make heads or tails over Tesla's current valuation. If you look at the fundamentals and fundamentals alone, the stock is maybe a $90 stock - not a $310 stock. 2. The Cult Like following of the zombie investor has limited the downside of the stock. Those attempting to short can't because there are too many zombies holding the stock. From an investment point of view companies like Tesla are difficult to judge. You have to be a master of mob psychology to play it at this stage. So I hit my targets and I'm out at the moment. The markets are chaotic enough without the mob factor added in. In regards to your ENRON example - there are certainly ties there. Folks betting on ENRON ignored ALL warning signs and common sense. Same goes with MCI-WorldCom and a litany of other cult stocks. If you lived through the tech sector crash, then you would understand. Investors ignored fundamentals and believed the hype and lost trillions in the process. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Mike grow up, get a life and leave your childish personal attacks in the Crater where they belong. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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I absolutely agree except $45 was my generous evaluation. I'll take value over momentum unless it's a really cheapo like TAIT.I just started watching that opne P/E is only like 6X.
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Again Jim Cramer calls these type of investors "complete morons" but I like zombie investors as they march along in large groups dazed and confused and wouldn't understand fundamentals if you drew them in crayon and used lots of pictures. It's the 'I think their product is cool so I'm buying their stock" mentality - regardless (or more accurately in spite) of the fundamentals. Folks get lost in the hype and happy feelings and don't pay attention to the basics of investing. The good news is, you can ride the emotional rollercoaster up but you better know when to bail as there is nothing but vapor holding many of the trendy stocks up. Tesla is but one of many examples at the moment. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Maybe the biggest. Too bad good stocks can get drawn down with the market trends. 1 or 2 large volume stocks can ruin great trends. Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can. | |||
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The shinny is starting to wear off or maybe reality is starting to catch up with the easily impressed.
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