Anyone done any load dev with this one?

I am planning on the 555/560gr maxi ball. The gun shoots those VERY well with 90 ffg, and is 3-4 inchs apart at 50 (go faster, i know)

Thinking about trying 777 and seeing how that goes.. the former owner was VERY impressed with the tc maxi when I shot the gun, and could not tell if the REAL lyman or them shot better.

jeffe

Jeffe: I would love to try 777 in my .58 Kodiak, but have had trouble finding any locally. I understand it is considerably hotter than black on a volume-for-volume basis, and very clean burning. I have mounted musket cap nipples on my Kodiak, by the way, although the only time I have had any ignitiion issues was when using Pyrodex, which I just don't mess with much any more.

OKay... range results... with kodiak double

elephant 03-01
90 gr
warren 610
863
TC 550 maxi
841

110gr
tc
1083
warren
1101

125gr
warren
1243
tc
1180
real 440gr
1200

triple 7 (777)
90 gr
tc
1263
warren 1281

100
tc 1330
warren
1360ish

110 gr

warren
1420
real
1390
(tc not chronoed)

the warren and real both grouping 2"-3", lefts on left, right on right...

will experient with real/lyman with triple 7,,,, looking for 1600.

triple 7 was TEN PERCENT of the cleaning/dirty/nasty.... smoke was light.. not sulphery (no sulpher)

from 843 to 1420, poi raised 10" of point of aim.

nice... very pleased with

jeffe

Jeffe: Thanks for the chronograph posting. I have simply got to get some Triple 7 and give it a try in my Kodiak. 1400 fps with a .58 conical is nothing to be sneezed at!

Bill,
the warrens are unlubed maxi balls... three big bands... and 610 gr...

and shoot prety well.

i bet i get 1550-1600 out of it

jeffe

Jeff, thanks for the info. This is the kind of useful stuff we can really sink our teeth into! Interesting results from an interesting gun/load combo! That 610 would be a real killer at 1200+ or so!!

Just bought another one for my son...

Won't that be funny? TWO BP doubles, in the 58 cal... at a range or hunting?

btw, at 1420, we STILL need to go faster to get regulation at 50... we'll be shooting at 75, where it's supposed to, as well.

ordered a NEI 3 chamber mould .583 600gr maxi ball, and sent it to wayne doudna to have him make those maxi's for me!!!

stilll looking for 1600fps...

but at 1420, on the bench, it slightly bent the cross tennon....,, bent it back... fine...

oh, yeah, you HAVE to change to a .438 or .510 front sight, or it's 14" high

jeffe

Jeffe: Bravo on getting another Kodiak. If you think the .58s are fun, try one of the .72s. Wayne casts a conical for the .72s that weighs well over 1,000 grains.
I have heard from others using the Kodiaks that if you approach the high-end loads, it may pay to have the tang area and the tenon area bedded to spread out the strain and avoid stock splits.
Thanks for getting the NEI mould!

Bill,
I would LOVE to talk to someone or get a pic of exactly what they bedded... i tore mine apart, and didnt see where bedding would HELP as it would remove some wood. except where the tang comes down the bach of the wrist, but it's 1/8 of an inch thick (tang metal)...

the LOCKS seem to hold the tang/face on..

the tenon needs to be made of spring steel, and I'll be making/replacing ours.. i'll look to see if i can't figure out how to reinforce that part..

here's a pic of jeffito's(little jeff) kodiak



jeffe

I have tried T7 in a number of guns from .45 to .58. It is INDEED hotter than BP!! MUCHO HOTTER!! However, I have NOT found it to be cleaner than Clean Shot or Clear Shot, AND I have to clean MORE OFTEN when shooting T7 than I do with Pyrodex! I can only fire two or three shots before loading becomes so difficult that bullets are damaged during ramming! This happened in seven different rifles in calibers from .45 to .58. I can shoot all afternoon with Pyrodex and this does not occur. However, T7 IS much easier than Pyrodex to clean out of the gun after all shooting is over. So are Cleanshot & Clear Shot. However, ClearShot is very weak, gives only about 60% of the velocity of a like charge of T7!!

[ 08-02-2003, 17:53: Message edited by: eldeguello ]

Not my experience with triple7... we'have had 30 round shoots, to TRY and over foul the barrel... and didn't bother cleaning or patching ONCE.

accuracy got dicey after about 21 rounds...

took more time to dry and oil than clean.

go figure...

but, then again, this is my first bp
jeffe

this is a email i recived from dp in italy regarding max loads i just figured you guys might want this

Dear Mr. Ferguson,
Thank you for your inquiry and for the interest in our guns.
Our USA distributors obtained good hunting results loading 100 grs. of FFg with round ball .570" and patch .010", or 90 grs. of FFg and conical bullet 525 or 560 grs.
We suggest not to exceed the 10% of the hunting load.
Best regards,
Customer Service

Jeff: Sent you an e-mail about a guy who hunted with his Kodiak in Africa. He is the one who advised me about bedding Kodiaks.

BIll,
Thanks, I'll call him tomorrow... geoff's (jeffito) double should be in today
jeffe

Black-powder-big-bore,

quote:

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We suggest not to exceed the 10% of the hunting load.

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??

What do you suppose they meant by this sentence? 10% of WHAT??

i have not a clue that 1 threw me for a loop as well i will have to email them again maybe she meant not to exceed the hunting load by any more than 10%

sounds like EXACTLY what they said...

100 gr with RB... mean's don't go over +10%, or 110 gr.

90 with a maxi... dont go over 99....

110 is safe in MINE

jeffe

You guys are hurting my shoulder just reading about those loads.

I'm beginning to think the type of lube and preservative for the gun metal has a great deal to do with how much and how bad the fouling is with T7. I get a lot of fouling also but may switch to CLP in my bores. Supposedly less fouling develops.

What were you using on the Kodiak?

My "standard" .54 cal. load is 110 grains with ANY type of bullet or ball, and it is plenty safe in my .54 Kodiak. I use 120 grains of FFg in my .58, but it is a Hawken with a 1" across the flats barrel and a "semi-patent" flintlock breech, so is also plenty strong. However, it seems to me that the Kodiaks are massive in the breechplug area, and have very thick barrel walls....

my starting load is 90 gr... and see where it goes.

I am having the triggers worked on.. jeffito's trigger is the heaver of the pair... just a tad over about 18#

jeffe