I just switched over from regular old FFg blackpowder to 777 pellets this year in my Remington 700 ML. I hated the messy cleanup, smell, and smoke of the blackpowder, but I was getting such good groups that I couldn't bring myself to switch, until this year that is.

I know the 777 pellets are supposed to be used with 209 primers, or so the packaging says, but I continue to use CCI #11 caps. With two pellets behind a 240 gr Hornady XTP, I'm getting great groups out to 100 yards.

Anyway, I just returned home from one of the wettest ML mule deer hunts of my life; it rained non-stop for four days. Because of the rain, I was concerned about the rifle firing when crunch time came, so I fired and cleaned it every night. On the the fourth day, I killed a 24" 4x4 at about 80 yards. In short, I never had a single hang-fire out of all the shots I fired.

has any one had trouble geting triple 7 pellets to go off . i shot it last yr with out any problems but this yr it delay fires almost every time . i useing the same box does this stuff draw moisture easily. i have regular pyrodex pellets stored the same place and they are working fine......hodgon says to change primers i'm shooting cci 209 magnum primers. the way i see it any 209 should have plenty of power to set it off......

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Your problem is common when precautions aren't met beforehand at the range or wherever/whereever-how you store them.



Your Pyrodex goes off easier because blackpowder is present on the bottom of your Pyrodex pellets. Had you removed the blackpowder from the Pyrodex pellets, they would of failed you also. 777 pellets has no such blackpowder on their pellet-bottoms because 777 mixed with blackpowder is slightly more volatile.



When at the range, if you leave the 777 pellet container opened during your range visit on a damp, cold day, moisture creeps in. If I remember correctly & I will let you know right now that I have never used pellet powder... just know alot about them from what I've read. Your Pyrodex pellets have the blackpowder-side facing the top of the container & you can only load the pellets with the blackpowder side facing downward... first to go inside the bore. Not-so with 777 pellets... you can load either side of the pellet.... so you may be loading the weather-exposed side first with the 777 & not with the Pyrodex pellets.



Keep the lid closed at all times.. better-yet in your warm coat pocket. Best rule is to leave them off the exposed bench & don't render any kind of shooting powders (smokeless or not) to various/multiple weather/temperature changes... especially damp conditions - open container conditions - indoor/outdoor multiple times.

I spent years fooling with Pyrocrap, 777, Clear shot and Clean shot, looking for the easiest and best. Guess what? I have gone to Swiss black powder for all my guns and will never go back to the artificial junk. Can't fool with a little fouling? Go to a smokeless gun! Muzzle loaders are primitive guns, get used to it.

has any one had trouble geting triple 7 pellets to go off . i shot it last yr with out any problems but this yr it delay fires almost every time . i useing the same box does this stuff draw moisture easily. i have regular pyrodex pellets stored the same place and they are working fine......hodgon says to change primers i'm shooting cci 209 magnum primers. the way i see it any 209 should have plenty of power to set it off......

use winchester 209 primers they are better i use triple 7 all the time in both my 209x50 and my omega with zero problems using the winchester 209 primers.

ps the winchester primers are hotter than the cci 209's

"does this stuff draw moisture easily"

Yes, somewhat. A new box of pellets MIGHT fix your problem. You may also have some type of corrosion or obstruction in your breech plug that restricts the flame. A new breech plug would fix that.

The ONLY time I have had ANY problems with Triple Se7en pellets was while using Powerbelts and some of the lighter saboted bullets. Probably not enough back-pressure early in the firing cycle leading to incomplete ignition. Never had any problems whatsoever when using any saboted bullet 240gr or heavier.

Pyrodex pellets are less prone to ignition problems because they have actual blackpowder on one end to aid ignition.

Swapping to Triple Se7en loose would probably cure your problem as well. Triple Se7en loose is MUCH less costly as well.

What type of Muzzle Loader are you shooting?



In lines work well with pellets while side hammer guns do not. If you are shooting an inline make sure the breach plug is clear and has no obstructions. I use a Knight Predator with the breach plug removed you can see through it. A small caliber brush will make sure it has a clear path for ignition. I also shoot a Lyman Great Plaines rifle I only use loose powder in it.



Powder will draw moisture and if it has not been kept it an air tight container it may be your problem. As suggested you might want to try some new pellets.



This is from Hodgdon website.



"MISUSE WARNING"



Use of pellets in sidelock muzzleloading rifles, in flintlock muzzleloading rifles, using a patched round ball, or the use of conical lead bullets without a fiber wad is not recommended. Due to variations in the size and type of flash channels of such rifles, as well as different rifle bore diameters and conical bullet sizes, hangfires (a delayed ignition of the pellet) or an improper gas seal of the projectile may occur. These conditions could cause the projectile or a burning pellet particle to exit the barrel in a hazardous manner which could cause personal injury or death to the user or bystander as well as damage to firearm."

well i talk hogdon today about my problems with tiple 7.

they say that tri 7 will draw moisture easyer than regular pyrodex pellets.they say to be extra careful storing during summer months.they also say that some 209 primers are actually to hot for triple seven in a in line ml. they say when the primer goes off the bullet moves a little before the powder burns causing poor accuratcy, they are working on new 209 primers made just for inlines. they say the tc encore is the worst they have seen at this problem. they are sending me a new box of tri 7 to try . and i'm useing cci magnum primers which are hotter then anything winchester makes.

i am having no problems with the pellets going off andi am using winchester 209 primers and never a dry fire or miss fire. the winchester primers are excellent
rob k