Anyone wants to part with double muzzleloader?
Calibers. 45/50/54/58

I owned a lower grade, reseller marked .58-caliber Pedersoli Kodiak. Now I own a higher grade .73-caliber Pedersoli Kodiak Safari. If your query pertains to wanting a muzzleloading double rifle, please let me know. Having owned and futzed with them for years, I can probably bore you to tears with unasked for information. . . . I'm also in Montana.

I have owned both a Kodiak 58 and a CVA .50 which I re=built. Kodiak is a much better rifle. Lodgewood has a .54 in stock for a good price, last time I was there. They sell ML parts.

Boarkiller, don't overlook that big Pedersoli in .72. I have had a couple of those and a couple of the Kodiaks in .58. They are a lot of fun.

I have a Pedersolli 58 I would sell but won't be able to send pics or the gun if interested until a week from tomorrow as I am Leaving town.

Matthew

check with member CowboyCS. He builds them.

I owned a Pedersoli Kodiak in 50 cal. for a few years. My problem with it was I expected to be able to make it shoot like a double. That is, both barrels shooting to one rear sight same as my other double rifles rather than the two rear sight system Pedersoli installed. I was never able to achieve "normal" double rifle regulation with it and it wasn't from a lack of trying! Goodness, over two years I ran lot of different loads down those barrels looking for the one that would regulate. Each barrel shot good groups individually but I never could bring them together. Since I sold it I have learned that the newer and bigger bores seem to be regulated better.

I would recommend the bigger bores in the Pedersoli. The 50 cal. I had was like a pair of deuce and a half truck axels soldered or brazed together, very heavy. Way too heavy for a 50 cal. double rifle.

Yeah, 50 is too small; 54 is still a hog, 58 is good for balance. No, they aren't regulated; which is why they have two sights. I owned one of the first Kodiaks from the 1970s. Great rifle; should have kept it; I would have regulated it the right way. Didn't know how back then.

dp, I had a gentleman offer to properly regulate the double for me but at the weight of that thing I simply didn't want to bother. I never weighed it but I bet my Reilley 500 BPE was at least 3 pounds lighter, maybe more. I wish I knew how to regulate the barrels. The only way I know is with loads and while I've always been successful in "proper" doubles I never got close with the Pedersoli. I was loathe to use the two sight system of the Pedersoli's......just ain't fittin'.

Yes sir, I was looking at double rifles 1/2 hour ago and noticed a few. A couple guys were nuts on their prices and one or two were in line.

That jig and the process of regulating the barrels is something I would love to observe. The jig seems pretty self explanatory. Evidently you can also do that with barrels already fitted together?

I stand corrected, fixture is the proper term. That CVA came out good.

It's interesting in a left-handed way that the two Kodiaks of the three I've owned, the .58-caliber lower grade and Safari high grade shot to nearly acceptable cones of impact for me with conicals used - before regulation. And the Safari .72-caliber had significant flexibility during its regulation - that is, it shoots acceptably to 80 yards (the farthest I've fired it) with a propellant range of 40 grains Goex FFg.

But wait; there's more! After regulating it, three shooters find the regulated cone of impact to be essentially identical (a left-handed 69 inches, 135 pounds; a rightie 72 inches, 220 pounds; and a leftie, 75 inches, 185 pounds).

The only reasonable explanations for our vast differences in the ease of regulation are:

1. Perhaps Pedersoli has made significant changes in their barrels' assembly. The older .58-caliber is now about 10 years old. The Kodiak Safari is now about 7 years old.

2. I have shot, and continue to shoot, only conicals. Conicals accompanied the .58-caliber, so I have no idea whether they are off-the-shelf or custom cast. I may still have a couple of them. The Safari uses a custom 775-grain bullet of specific lead:tin mix, with specific cap, powder, and lubricant.

Would any changes among components create regulation problems identified in some replies? Considering the range of acceptable propellant amount, I suspect problems would be manageable within two sessions. I typed "two sessions" because I have not shot my Kodiak Safari more than 16 times at any session.

Hope something in this mishmash is useful.

Absolutely, changing any component will affect regulation; Except when it doesn't, as in your 72.
Each one is unique; that is double rifles for you.

Buy the new issue of Muzzleloader Magazine. They have a nice picture of an O/U available in flint or percussion. Up to 12 gauge, iirc. About $2700, but with nice wood, and built to your specs.

O/Us aren't real double rifles.
Only side by sides are.
PS: O/U lovers, no hate mail; I get enough now.

what about David Price's swivel breech flint doubles...?

Regarding over/under fixed barrel sidelock muzzloading percussion double guns, their essential problem area is reliable ignition - that is, one of the barrels (usually the bottom barrel) has inherently less reliable ignition because its flash channel is restricted by its position relative to nipple location. I am uncertain whether this problem is a problem with flintlock ignition.

I have seen the O/U swivel flinters; still ugly. Reliability would not be an issue in the flintlock; they are inherently more reliable than those cap locks anyway, and in the swivel breech you have the same flash channel for both barrels. But the barrels need to be side by side to look right.