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| I hope you are talking about necking the .444 case up to .45 cal. You might also have to thin rims.
I dunno I would use full .444 Marlin loads in it, but it's worth trying to see if you get better accuracy. Wouldn't cost nothing but a box of brass to try since you can neck size in .45 LC dies. |
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| I know this isnt gonna answer your question but I have seen 410 single shots that say 45/410 and 44/410 (not on the same gun) |
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| Hi all. Funny this should come up today. I was just thinking about using 444Marlin brass to cobble together full brass .410 shotshells. Anybody see any problem with this? Barring that, does anybody know where I can get .410 brass shotshells? Tight groups, Karl |
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| I have put 405 gr .458 cast lead in a Win 45 Colt brass, CCI 200 rifle primer, and 40 gr H110 in a Stevens OEM break top .410.
That is about double the max 454 Casull charge, but is too long fort the Casull OAL. Even pounding the bullet in with a hammer only gets it down to 2.4"
Anyhow, the brass fails, because the .410 chamber is too big.
The .444 brass is even smaller, so that would not be so good.
When I turn down the base of a 7.62x54R case, the fit is better. |
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| Karl
The .444 in a .45/.410 idea started out because I once saw a guy shooting trap with a .444 lever gun.
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| Karl,
Back in the old days, we used .45-70 in a H&R line throwing gun. It was used to shoot a small line from one ship to another and then used that to bring larger lines across.
Now, I'm not suggesting that anyone should shoot .45-70 in a .410, but the brass might be able to be used for "shotgun" shells or lengthened .45 LC brass. |
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| If you are talking about loading .452 bullets in .45/.410, this has been done by by .45/.410 Contender owners and called the .450 Mongo. Below is a page I had copied for my own files. Quote:
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Glen Bolen <boleng@metro.or.gov>
Below is a reponse to a post asking about the .450 Mongo.
This comes to us from Ben Sansing
About a year ago, I came up with a "wildcat" I called the .450 Mongo, which used expanded .444 marlin brass in my TC .45/.410 barrel as a sort of "Poor Man's .45-70". I announced this "great marvel" on the TC List, and people got excited about it. Some other folks have tried it, with varied rates of success. Apparently, TC has changed the chamber dimensions of their .45/.410 barrels over the years. In some barrels, the .444 brass works great. In other barrels, the chamber tapers too much or something and it won't accept .444 brass that's been expanded to .452" at the mouth. I kinda suspect they may have done this deliberately, to prevent people from using ".450 Mongo", since I'm sure I was not the first to come up with the idea of expanding and using .444 Marlin brass in .45/.410. I guess TC wants you to go buy a .45-70 barrel instead.
It should be a simple task to "open up" a TC .45/.410 chamber to accept the expanded .444 brass, and then you'd have a .45/.410/.450 Mongo! Older barrels (mine is one of the original octagon ones - and *may* have been rechambered outside the TC factory, I don't know (it has the screw-on choke, but is stamped ".45 Colt" with no mention of .410, though it chambers 3" .410s just fine)... anyway, older barrels *may* work "as-is".
Good luck, Ben
That is what I found back when I had the idea. I don't know how it would work on your survivor as I had never tried it, something about not having an actual sight being one of my key issues. Best of luck and I hope I haven't broken any rules by posting this. |
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| Interesting that this thread came up. My wife had a couple friends over this weekend and the husband of the pair noticed that I had 45/70 brass on the shelf. He said "Hey, you load 45/70. Ya know you can shoot that in a 410 shotgun?" He's my wife's friend, I don't claim him.  Ian |
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| Just to "kick things up a notch", I checked out Old Western Scrounger last night, and he has .410 shotshell brass in 2 3/4" and 3" lengths. The stuffs a bit pricey (about a buck a piece). It's manufactured by CBC (whoever that is), and doesn't say what primers (rifle or shotgun) it accepts. Seems to me you could load them up with solids or pellets, and either way that l-o-n-g throat would be a problem of the past. I've looked at cartridge drawings, and everything other than 45LC is either a little small or a little large in the base dimension for that chamber, with 444Marlin being about the closest, but I'm not certain it would hold up very long under pressure. Karl |
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| Quote:
I have shot 444 cases loaded with .452 pistol bullets in my FMJ 45/410 derringer without any problems. As long as you don't run Weatherby pressures, I think that it would do fine.
Did you trim the brass in any way?
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| .452 bullet and a 444 case ,Isnt this otherwise known as a the 450 mongo ? |
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| Karl, I've used .410 brass as .410 shells. Once I just needed a few shells to go in an adapter to familiarize a kid and the other time I was loading for an old shotgun that took a shorter shell. |
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| Check with Huntingtons'on the CBC (Brazil) brass before purchase. Some has been for boxer primers, some for berdan. |
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