Hello all,

What i need to know is when you make a ruger no1 look like it is a side lock with false side plates do you fix them to the action or do you fix to the wood work and could you explain how to do it the right way.
second question is , is there a double set trigger on the market for the ruger no1 if so where do i get them from.

thank you
chris

Chris, brownell's sells the keplinger single set trigger for both the #1 and #3 ruger actions. Frank

Thank you frank for your reply i will check them out.

is there a double set trigger even made out there.

regards
chris

There are several sources for DSTs but none are made specifically for the Ruger, all must be altered and then installed by someone who KNOWS what he's doing. For more information on this, you might try the ASSRA site, assra.com.

Use of any sort of set trigger will result in a small accuracy loss when shooting from the bench. This is a long-known fact that's sometimes forgotten by new shooters in their quest for improvement and embellishment, but it's still a fact. The accuracy degradation, proven by repeated testing with results available, is on the order of 8%-16% increase in group size when using the set function from the sandbags.

IOW the rifle will almost always produce larger groups when using the trigger set (as opposed to unset) when fired from the bench. The set function will decrease benchrest group accuracy, period, end of discussion. Col Whelen and the first post-war benchresters discovered this at the Pine Trails(Tree?) range back in the '50s.

Offhand is another story however. The set function provides superior control in the precise moment of trigger release, which allows the shooter to time his swing-&-release to coincide with the sights crossing the bullseye. This is a favorite technique of offhand shooters and IMO is by far the best reason for using the set function.

You will hear vastly differing opinions on this subject, especially from some of the Schuetzen shooters on the ASSRA forum. They've been very vocal indeed about their loyalty to the DSTs and some will still insist that I'm wrong.

However I've offered them a wager on this subject, several times on several forums, and so far no one has accepted the offer. NO ONE has accepted, they ALL crawfish when the time comes to shell out the shekels.

To clarify further, I love set triggers, almost all my rifles have set triggers of some sort or other. Mausers with SSTs and DSTs, single shots with SSTs, DSTs and CCDSTs, you get the picture. I love set triggers but I don't harbor unreasonable expectations about their performance.
Regards, Joe

thank you for your advice i have joined that site you mentioned.the reason for my post is i have a nice no1 i had done in 6mm br and i learnt alot having that done so i fancied another no1 or a (no3) which is impossible to find a action in the uk and i really do mean impossible i have been trying for over 2 years.
But this time i was going to do it a bit different maybe have side plates on it and have them engaved and restock with some nice grained walnut.

regards
chris

Chris,

Here's a comparison photo of mine - Kepplinger SST and no sideplates. Similar treatment at the front of the action to the Heilmann rifle posted by SDH.

Just to give you another idea of a different aesthetic.




cheers,
- stu

Ask Butchloc to post a picture of his #1 with the dst's. That took a lot of work.

Jim

cheers jim i have sent a message.

regards
chris

is there a web sight for kepplinger triggers as i can not find it anywhere ??

quote:

Originally posted by SDH:
Double Sets and a Greener side safety, now you can mount a mid-range tang sight!

And that was before I put the half round, h;lf octagon barrel on it in 300H&H

Although I can appreciate the workmanship of installing the sidplates I think I would not be interested.

Just a few thoughts that come to my mind.

Normally sideplates are added to increase the metel surface for engraveing. The problem with this is you open yourself up to a lot more expence added by the increase. Maybe thats what you want then fine. I would spend the extra money on other features.

I guess I'm saying my personal view of sidplates is they go on a boxlock double to give them room for engraving and to make them look like a sidelock, and I kind of feel that is a bit of a turn off for me as well.

Anyway if money is not an issue and the sideplates are what you want then go for it. I fully confess I'm just pontificating my thoughts on the subject and my opinion has no more value to anyone than yours.

I really like the custom quarter ribs on the two #1's pictured. That to me is a real mark of craftsmenship. I have a custom #1 with a similar rib and intergal Tally bases. It also has the tang extended over the comb that maybe dose stringthen the stock in the recoil area or maybe not. I've posted a photo of that here before but incase you missed it I guess it won't hurt to post it up here as well.

hello akshooter,

i totally understand your views on side plates but what i am after is a unique rifle for me.AK i am a firearms dealer in the uk but most riflesmiths in the uk only work on bolt action`s which is a shame thats only me having a moan.I wish the uk was upto speed with what i want in a rifle as you guys have available to you and as for getting something like a kepplinger trigger over here the chance is almost impossible that is why i asked about a web address for the company.

regards
chris

deer308 - I may be wrong but I thought there was a way to order from Midway in the UK. I was thinking they had a repersenitive there. Of course you will know much more than I do about that. Anyway if this is true I think you can get a trigger from them. I understand they are increasing there product line. You might check there U.S. websight to see and if they have what you want see if the UK rep can order it

Otherwise Brownells sells #1 triggers but I don't know how much trouble it is to order from them to the UK.

I'm surprised to here that in the land of the Alexander Henery and Farquharson that the gunmakers have turned to bolt actions. Thats disapointing to hear. After all these guns were the inspiration for the #1.

One thing you might consider is that many of your countrymen who are involved in hunting and shooting will be traveling to the S.C.I. show this month. That might be a way of picking up some of these parts provided it woulden't viloate some kind of importation law in the UK.

I just checked and E.A. Brown sells the Kepplinger you can find them at

http://eabco.com/Ruger01.html

Just a guess/thought...

Aren't there still at least a couple of semi-custom Ruger merchants in Germany? Seems to me at one time they were using either the Kepplingers or something very similar. As they are members of the EEU, as is GB, might it not possibly be easier to get one through them?

hello ak and alberta,

thank you both for taking the time about the triggers and it is right there is a midway uk but they only make available certain lines of products which seems abit strange but i will give them a call to see what they can do.
And AK your totally right about the uk it is very hard for me to understand why we dont shoot single shots more.I have been after 2 rifles or actions a #1 and a #3 to have rifles built , the # 1 is a easy thing to find you just pay around £400 + for a sechondhand rifle but the #3 well i think it would be alot easier finding a pound of chicken lips because i have put out more adverts for them and emails to dealers and nothing i have been trying for over a year.They where sold in the uk were`nt they .

regards

chris

You should see me when ever I go to the UK to shoot BPCR rifle long- or midrange. Myself - a Belgian - is the only person shooting a Brit-actioned single-shot falling block rifle (a Martini), whereas all the Brits are shooting, Sharps 1874, Highwalls, Stevens 44 1/2 etc. finding an english-designed action is rather rare. There is the odd one out shooting something like a Farq or suchlike, but you really have to look for it...

quote:

And that was before I put the half round, h;lf octagon barrel on it in 300H&H

i gotta take another picture of this piece now. the barrel work really set it off nicely. i finally found out that it is a hyem creation from several years ago

quote:

Originally posted by Stu C:
Chris,

Here's a comparison photo of mine - Kepplinger SST and no sideplates. Similar treatment at the front of the action to the Heilmann rifle posted by SDH.

Just to give you another idea of a different aesthetic.




cheers,
- stu

Stu,

who did the whole work for you? This is exactly what I am looking for. A local Swiss gunmaker?

CZ

It was made in Melbourne, Australia. Kudu Services (Bob de Vries) did all the metalwork and bluing, plus he arranged the engraving. Ross Waghorn did the stock. Wood supplied by Roger Vardy.


cheers,
- stu

hello all,

i have been intouch with brownells and they will not supply me a kepplinger trigger bcause i am from the uk ? I am now thinking will lux send a stock and forend over .know finding all this out this could put a hold on things.i wonder why they will not send to the uk ??.


has nobody got a web address for the makers of the triggers.

regards
chris

quote:

Originally posted by deer308:

has nobody got a web address for the makers of the triggers.

regards
chris

If you've tried Googling for one, and no one else has posted an address, a web address probably doesn't exist.

I Googled Kepplinger Abzug. There are a few references on German forums.

Try:
Kepplinger Hannes
Carl-Wagner-Strasse 1, A-6330 Kufstein
Tel.: +43 (5372)63710
Fax +43 (5372)71887

Pity about Brownells. They shipped OK to my gunsmith in Australia.


cheers,
- stu

For sometime now, most U.S. suppliers of parts, components, etc. of firearms have restrictions on selling/shipping overseas. Most likely some edict by the State Department reqarding war on terror I believe?? I don't believe your trigger would be a problem, but a "blanket" policy makes it easier to control.

cheers stu c