I would like to know if anyone has, and continues to,
UPLOAD NEW NE caliber brass in these super strong type
actions. Whether NEW Ruger, Soroka, Dakota or other,
in general these can handle pressure as well as pro-
perly made bolt actions; or better! So, have you done
loads that yield 2400 Ft/Sec in 450 #2 NE or 450 NE or
450/400 NE (3.25" or 3") or 470 NE or 500 NE, etc.?
Not asking for Weatherby type speed, but 416 Rigby or
375 Flanged Mag speed is very desirable. My question is
all about CAN NEW BRASS HANDLE THE HIGHER PRESSURE?
NEW Hornady, Jamison Int'l, Horneber, Norma all make
brass today in these calibers. Thanks for your help.

The Ruger has long since proven that it's one of the very strongest actions out there, period, full stop, end of discussion. Certainly MUCH stronger than almost all Mausers regardless of maker.

Dakota & Soroka, well, we really don't have enough history or unbiased testing yet to make a firm determination. However I personally would be astounded if either one proved to have any strength/pressure problems whatever. Reliability, well perhaps, but for strength IMO either one will prove perfectly strong with any 50K-60K load in adequately-strong brass. JMOFWIW.
Regards, Joe

Add my name to what Joe said!

Rich

i saw a ruger #1 a couple years ago in 212/250 that had an overload in it to say the least. the guy failed to clear the powder measure when loading and had half a case of unique. the forend was split, the extractor was junked and the action held perfectly. no measurable stretching whatsoever. the gun was repair and so far as i know is still going strong

Gents, May I say again that I am asking about the
ability of the NEW MANUFACTURE BRASS to be
uploaded to yeild 2400 or better in such a rifle as
described above. Can the BRASS take the increased
pressure?
(Hornady, Horneber, Jamison Int'l, etc -NEW stuff)

The last reports I have seen suggest that cartridge brass will not reach its' yield status area until past 90,000PSI.

The definitive answer can only be had from the manufacturer of the brass.

Rich

I'll be calling Jamison and Hornady tomorrow!

Jack

I am pushing 325 grain bullets out of a #1 at 2400 ~ 2500 fps in Jamison brass with no signs of pressure.
450 3 1/4" NE
I am on 5 and 6th reloads on some brass.
96 grains of IMR 4831 with 215M.
I would have to run it on QL to see the pressure.

Nitro

I don't have a lot of recent experience, but when BELL and others first started making 45-120 basic brass years ago, I bought a reamer and rechambered a Ruger, followed by developing full bore loads. Believe me, it was not a problem to approach near Weatherby performance. The limit was my shoulder. I sectioned the rounds, found they had thick webs, and had metallurgist at work check the hardness. Stock 45-70 performed well, al the 458/Lott relationship. I even developed some "survival" shotshell loads using .45 cal shot capsules. To prove the concept, I shot a barn pigeon on the farm at about 15 yards. Wrote an article on it which Rifle took, then never published.

quote:

Originally posted by BigFiveJack:
My question is
all about CAN NEW BRASS HANDLE THE HIGHER PRESSURE?
NEW Hornady, Jamison Int'l, Horneber, Norma all make
brass today in these calibers....

I used 45colt brass[win] in my .454 FA casull, loaded up to around 60,000 CUP, never a failure.

- does that somehow help?

Thanks to all posters. I am trying to decide
on some ideas. All your answers help!