I understand Winchester is coming out with two new 1885 in 300 & 375 H&H. Has anyone handled one yet. I was wondering whether the action was as smooth as they have been in the past?

Jim

As a general rule: "New" means the bean counters figured out a way to make it cheaper...

Rich

A) Odd claibres for such an American rifle design

b) Rimless cartridges = questionable

c) Why go this route when you can get a Ruger #1 in 450/400?

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Originally posted by tendrams:

c) Why go this route when you can get a Ruger #1 in 450/400?

Why get a Ruger #1 when you can get a 1885 (C.Sharps at least) in any way you want it?

I have two high walls, .45-70 and .30-30. I always wanted a .300H&H and .375 H&H rifle. But I like a rimmed round for single shot rifles, like the high wall. Same with combinated and double rifles.
My "dream" High Wall must be a Schutzen style in .32-40 or better, chambered for the German 8,15x46R.

Martin

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Originally posted by tendrams:
A) Odd claibres for such an American rifle design

b) Rimless cartridges = questionable

I've got a Browning 85 High Wall in 270win, never had a problem with it. Browning was chambering the same rifle in 7mm Rem Mag back when I bought mine, never heard of anyone having a problem with one of those.

Those two are probably more of an odd caliber selection for such an American rifle design then say the 375H&H.

With that said, I think I'd rather have a High Wall in something like 405win, 45-120 (in a true .458" bore), or maybe 50-140 (in a .510" or .500" bore). Loaded up to their potential (say in the 40-45 Kpsi range) the later two would be comparable to say a 458Win or 458Lott with 500gr bullets.

Like txhunter77 I have a Browning 85 high wall in 270 Win and love the rifle and the action is very smooth. The action feels more solid than the ruger #1. As someone wrote else where "it is like closing a safe door."

Not being a purist just loving single shot rifles I would like to get both and if they made a 416 rigby I would do the same.

I assume that the advantage of rimmed cartridge is better extraction?

i've heard this, but haven't seen anything in concrete. however the new lowwalls sure don't impress me much. pretty big bucks for a rifle that has a chit piece of walnut on it, and then you can go ahead and polish the action rails etc. so it smooths up some.

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Originally posted by txhunter77:
With that said, I think I'd rather have a High Wall in something like 405win, 45-120 (in a true .458" bore), or maybe 50-140 (in a .510" or .500" bore).

Yup, that's my point. To each his own but I have never seen much point in owning historically themed rifles in "non historically correct" calibres. Like getting an H&H double rifle in .416 Rem Mag.

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Originally posted by Singleshot03:
I assume that the advantage of rimmed cartridge is better extraction?

Yes, and also the greater strength imparted to the case head by the larger-dia rim as opposed to the smaller dia under the rimless extractor groove. Imagine the 7x57 (rimless) as opposed to the 7x57R; the case head's support of the primer pocket is necessarily lessened by the extractor groove on the rimless 7x57 while the addition of the rim on the 7x57R will materially strengthen the primer pocket support. IOW the case head's primer pocket will tend to expand more with the rimless case and so will materially shorten case life under normal handloading conditions through loose primer pockets. Not a really significant factor with factory loads though.
Regards, Joe