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Hey Guys Looking for some insight, been thinking about purchasing a ruger 1 and converting it to 500 jeff. This is not a project that is at the top of my list right now but somthing I am planning for the future, I am curious if anybody has shot the 500 jeff in a 1 or if anybody owns one and there impressions. Matt Simply, Elegant but always approachable | ||
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That don't even sound fun at all. Maybe I'm just a sissy tho............ | |||
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I've got one in .500 Nitro. It has no muzzle brake or recoil reducer and when loaded with full power nito loads it will really get your attention. | |||
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as long as the rifle is around 11 to 11 1/2 pounds i dont see there being any recoil problems even with full loads my 500 double is 11 1/4 pounds and it very comfortable to shoot and i always use full power loads if i never use reduced loads if i want less powerful ill buy a smaller rifle | |||
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A 500 Jeffery is quite a bit more rifle that a 500 NE. | |||
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Yo Biebs, I agree that a .500 Jeffery is a bit more than a .500 Nitro, however, a full house .500 Nitro in an 8lb Ruger No. 1 will still get your attention. Or at least it get's mine. Cheers, Hollis | |||
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Hollis Was you No.1 rebarreled or rebored to this cartridge? Craftsman | |||
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lets see here a 570 grainer at 2150-2200 in a 500 nitro or a 525-535 grain bullet in a 500 jeffery at 2350.....not a huge diff and certainly not a a huge step up in fire power i had a 505 gibbs i was shooting 600 grain bullets at up to 2400 fps in now that had a bit more snap... a 8 1/2 pound rifle in this class is a touch light ... | |||
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BOY! You ain't just whistlin' Dixie! IIRC, John Taylor devoted part of one chapter of his classic book on African Rifles & Cartridges to weights the London Gun Makers found they needed to make their DRs to, for shooting by their customers... And, again IIRC, 8-1/2 pounds was 3 or more pounds lighter than what they found necessary for cartridges of those specs. Many of their customers spent a lot of time shooting the big boomers, too.... | |||
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Before you go thru all of that trouble, purchase a #1 in 458 Lott, load some full house 500-550gr cartridges and see how it feels. If you can handle that ok, then splurge on something heavier. A full house Lott in the #1 is a handful I can attest to that. Much much worse than my #1 in a 7.5lb 470 Nitro Express with factory 500gr bullets at 2150fps. | |||
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I have always enjoyed reading these big bore posts on this forum. But I, always have wondered how so many of you can shoot these cannons, so nonchalantly. Are you aiming at something or just pulling the trigger. The anticipation of the rifle going off has to be, not too far back in your mind set. Is it that your just willing to take the punishment or what. The 458 Lott fully stoked is quite an explosion. Not everyone is is even up to this. Just wondering what the secret is. I love the big bore guns. Kidd | |||
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Craftsman, It was a very early No. 1 in .458 Win. that Hamilton Bowen had rebored by LaBounty. He also did the recessed safety mod and put a Decelerator Pad on it. It's a very nice rifle, but it does have a bit of recoil. Regards, Hollis | |||
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kidd, for me the Lott in the #1 has to be one of the most brutal rifle/cartridge combo's going. Full house 500gr loads, after the second shot makes me dizzy and my brain somewhat numbed....no joking. My Lott has a Decelerator 1" pad and a pound of lead in the buttstock yet. The 500 Jeff would be similar punishment in a #1 unless you make it a 12 pound rifle, which would take some doing. | |||
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What is it for??? DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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NE450 It will be range toy for the most part. It would not be a light rifle, It would be at least 11 lbs and have a break. Its somthing that sparked my interest. Matt Simply, Elegant but always approachable | |||
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OK, I'm pretty sure that i'm a sissy. I also am pretty sure that's gonna leave a mark! My .458 Lott is all I think I can handle off the bench. | |||
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no way in hell this would be off the bench...Like its not written in stone, just a thought for the future purchase. I enjoyed shooting the jeffery and found the no 1 converted, every rifle recoils diffrently was curious, how the no 1 distribute the recoil versus a bolt action. Considering if the weight is similiar. Matt Simply, Elegant but always approachable | |||
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Seasons44, Have a #1 450-400. With a 1" Decelerator pad installed it's a gas to shoot. The recoil is mostly straight back with minimal muzzle rise. A 500 Jeffery man I don't know ????? chuckT. | |||
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I also have a #1 in 450/400 and it's a cakewalk compared to the Lott...no comparison whatsoever. All of the Nitro's are low pressure cartridges....not so with the Lott or Jeff. I have not fired my Lott from the bench, only in the standing position...and that was plenty for me. One of the problems that add to the felt recoil on the #1 platform is that when shooting the iron sights, the butt pad ends up high on the shoulder so that there is not as much pad in contact with the shoulder to spread out the energy of the rifle when it is coming back. Not enough drop at the heel, so to speak. | |||
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yeah im defintly not the one to talk to about recoil i have never really been bothered by it the 505 gibbs was built by ryan breeding on a grantie mount arms action 22" stainless barrel i had a 2 bore bore under hammer that shot a 1.300 round ball with 500 graind of fg black powder this rifle weighed in at 22 pounds nw this thing had a bark to it after about 6-7 shots you start to get punch drunk/disoriented ill admit that rifle should of weighed at least 25# or more dosnt matter i not buying another 1 ill stick to my 505 gibbs and 577 nitro even the 700 nitro was extreamly comfortable to shoot i didnt think the 700 nitro recoiled much at all | |||
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I never thought I was a sissy until I shot a No 1 in 458 Lott. Once was enough to convince me that it is too much. | |||
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Gun fit is everything. For me, a Ruger #1 in any chambering, large or small, recoils much worse than almost any other gun in that respective chambering. I have a couple of friends who agree with me, and others who think the #1 distributes recoil very well. If you aren't familiar with #1's, try before you buy. | |||
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Ditto to what jwm says. The classic No. 1 stock design is not the best for heavy kickers (I owned a 460 Weatherby No. 1 for a while). The other issue is that it's hard to make a No. 1 heavy and keep it balanced. The action is light (compared to a bolt gun) and the barrel contour is limited by the forend hanger. I was shooting 400 gr bullets at maybe 2450 ft/sec. They were definitely getting my attention and those aren't even full power 459 Lott loads! | |||
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My first thought is how reliable will the Ruger No.1 extractor be on such a severely rebated case as the 500 Jeffery? Can it be done? Bad enough to use the nonrebated rim of a .416 Rigby or micro-rebated rim of a 460 Wby or 500 A-Square. I can vouch for the 500 A-sqaure being passable for function of the extractor, using the standard .416 Rigby extractor on a Ruger No.1, rebarreled from .416 Rigby to 500 A-Square. The 500 A-Square can also be loaded to more powerful ballistics than traditional 500 Jeffery ballistics. And a Ruger No.1 so chambered can deliver a 3-shot group of sub 0.2-inch off the bench at 100 yards. I used a heavy straight taper barrel that was 1.000" at the muzzle, 27" barrel, still as short as a bolt action with a 23" barrel. Balances well enough.  I also replaced the walnut with B&C synthetic before I had a chance to split the stock. Used a muzzle brake too. Got me on paper at 942 yards with 750-grain Hornady A-Max bullets too.    | |||
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Rip Great looking rifle and thats some great shooting, Whats your total weight of the no 1. As for reliabilty on extraction i don't know and i understand your concerns. Gary Reeder has built them and from what I was told there has been no issues. Matt Simply, Elegant but always approachable | |||
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Bare rifle weight is only 10.5 pounds. That includes only the picatinny rail (steel) and the screw-on muzzle brake, which adds 2 inches to the barrel length, making it 29" overall. There is a 6-inch straight cylinder knoxform that the picatinny sits on, screwed and soldered, then a straight taper from 1.250" diameter to 1.000" diameter at the 27" muzzle. 12.75 to 14 pounds depending on the attachments and amount of ammo carried on the buttstock.  | |||
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Both my 500 double and 500 Jeffery bolt scoped weighs about the same. Jeffery has noticeably more recoil. Mac | |||
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Does Bowen still do this conversion? I have a Ruger #1 and a gun he wants from me and would like to trade services....hmmmmm | |||
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333OKH, I don't believe he still does them, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. | |||
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I will but for now, that Remington Model 8 factory engraved rifles stays with me so it might be a while! LOL | |||
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Well a little adjustment to my origanal plan, the project is going to be a 500 nitro 3", gonna keep it fairly traditional sporter style, 25-26"heavy sporter barrel, would like to keep the wood stock, may have the action bed to re-enforce. Now I have 6 months plus to get everthing planned out..but lets hear your thoughts Undecided on the barrel, truly dont know enough about them, Twist rate gonna be 1-12 Also looking for a donor 458 win mag or lott ruger no 1. Simply, Elegant but always approachable | |||
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The #1 has a 1" diameter barrel shank. The 500 Jeff would need more diameter. | |||
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I have a #1 .458 Win. which can be loaded to 2300fps with 500 gr. bullets (loaded very long) and it is a monster for sure. I think the #1's problem is that Ruger uses the same stock on the .458 that they use on the Hornet. The forend isn't large enough, pistol grip too slim, etc. It might not be bad with a proper hand filling stock. I remember an article on one in .500 NE, they had to reinforce the forend as it pulled off after a couple of shots. I would definitely try one before I invested too much $$. C.G.B. | |||
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Sounds like a much better plan. I have a 500J bolt gun project. The case is a less than perfect design on a bolt gun, and I'd never consider using one in a single shot. The 500 NE will be a much better choice in the #1 and should make for fine gun. My experience with the jeffrey as a range gun is 470 gr cast bullets over ~30gr unique for ~1150 fps lots of fun. 600 gr cast bullet over 100 gr RL 15 for 2200 fps, not so much fun. 690 gr AP bullet pulled from a 50bmg over 100 gr H-4350, I let somebody else set that one off  You might want to consider having the throat cut long to allow you to use 50 bmg bullets. __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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