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I am really wanting a Ruger 1A, but they seem a bit light. Does anyone have a 1A in 30-06, and how is the recoil? I have a 45-70 in #1 and the recoil can be a bit stiff. | ||
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Back in the late 70's I had a 1-A in 30-06. Recoil wasn't bad at all and the rifle was very accurate. The Ruger 1-A & 1-S are among the most beautiful mass produced factory rifles. Mine had a gorgeous burl walnut buttstock. | |||
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| <eldeguello> |
I have a Ruger 1A in 7X57mm. Firing the 175 grain Nosler Partition bullet at 2720 FPS, it is close to the factory 180-grain '06 load in recoil. It is not bad at all! ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} | ||
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I just recently bought a 1A in 30-06. The recoii is not at all objectionable to me. I haven't scoped it (yet, and maybe I won't); I'm getting groups of just over 1 inch at 100 yds from the bench. I think it's a great gun. | |||
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I have a !-A in .30-06 "200th year" and am currently shooting it with 150 grain Nosler Partitions. Recoil is not bad and accuracy is approximately 1 MOA. I have a NECG reciever (Rib) sight and a high visibility bead in white. This is a lovely rifle. Years ago I had a #3 in 45/70 and hurt myself with heavy bullets in heavy load combinations. Gosh it was fun stalking the elusive granite though. Good shooting. | |||
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My dad has a Ruger #1 RSI in .30-06, which is the same weight and length as the #1A. I have been wanting a #1S in .45-70 for a while. Maybe i can convince my dad into a trade ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif){kind=icon} NH_Hunter | |||
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| <CuriousGB> |
eldeguello, What is your load to get 2700 from a 175grn bullet in the 7x57. I can't get anywhere near that with current load manuals. George | ||
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Curious. The big problem withthe loading manuals is they are restricted by sue happy lawyers and SAAMI specifications. If you want more oomph from youe 7x57, you are literally and figuratively on your own. The big problem is all those 1893 and 1895 Mausers floating around. They're limited to 45,000 PSI/CUP.(They used to call PSI and CUP the same thing.) Modern rifles can take more of course, and some manuals now give data in thr 50,000 CUP range. Still an underload in deferance to the scum sucking lawyers. With careful handloading you can get higher velocities. I've been experimenting with W-760 with some good resultys. Paul B. | |||
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| <CuriousGB> |
I was working up loads for the new triple x bullet and I can bearly get 50grns or Imr4831 in the case, it is slightly compressed. I will try the re22 with the 175 hornady's I have. My #1 has an awfully long throat, so much so I have been thinking of having it rebarreled. George | ||
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| <eldeguello> |
N205, MRP, and also RE 22 have smaller grains than the 4831 series, and at least the Norma powders weigh more per granule, permitting heavier charges to be put into a 7X57mm case than 4831 permits. This was why it was possible to get higher performance levels out of the little 7X57 case. Seat your bullets out as far as you can, to see what accuracy levels are possible with the long throat before rechambering it. Of course, in a bolt-action, you are also limited by the magazine box length, which doesn't affect us with a single-shot rifle! However, when I was first testing the long-throated M77 that my son now has, the first 20 rounds I fired were 175-grain Remington round-nose factory loads that I was shooting to get brass to reload. The first 5 rounds, right out of the box with a Bushnell 1.5-4.5X Scopechief mounted on it, went into 1" @ 100 yards, despite the long jump the bullets had to make! Not bad for a long-throat shooting FACTORY AMMO!! [ 10-31-2003, 23:54: Message edited by: eldeguello ] | ||
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My No.1A in 7x57 is quite mild even with 175 gr. Nosler Partitions. Eldeguello, I bought a pound of RE22 to try (you load with 175 gr. NOS Part.), but the birth of my son precluded working up any loads. I went ahead and used 47 gr. of IMR 4831 (max load in old speer manual for 175 gr. GS) in Normal brass with CCI std rifle primer. No pressure, mild recoil and muzzle blast, shoots a little over one MOA out to 300 yds. I killed a mulie with it 3 weeks ago at 300 yards...he moved about 15' downhill and was dead. Bullet hit a rib going in, a rib going out, punch a .50 cent sized hole on the far side, and kicked up a huge cloud of dust behind the deer. Estimated velocity is 2550 fps. At 2.5" high at 100m, it is still 1.5" high at 200m, and 11" low at 300m. What sort of trajectory do you get out of your RE22 load? I am curious as to how much improvement you get with the extra velocity and the same bullet. Thanks, Ben Reinhardt | |||
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175 Grain Nosler Partition, B.C., 0.52, 200 Yard Zero, 10 MPH Crosswind (you'll have to tabulate, this program won't take the tabs!!) R. V. POI Dr ToF En Drift 0 2720 -1.5 0 0 2875 0 50 2629 0.85 0.72 0.06 2686 0.59 100 2544 1.95 2.69 0.12 2515 1.08 150 2461 1.69 6.02 0.18 2354 1.9 200 2379 0 10.8 0.24 2199 3.06 250 2299 -3.24 17.1 0.3 2054 4.59 300 2221 -8.12 25.0 0.37 1917 6.5 350 2144 -14.78 34.8 0.44 1786 8.81 400 2069 -23.34 46.4 0.51 1663 11.55 450 1995 -33.92 60.1 0.58 1547 14.72 500 1923 -46.7 75.9 0.66 1437 18.37 [ 11-01-2003, 19:16: Message edited by: eldeguello ] | ||
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| <CuriousGB> |
Ok, I tried to get 54 grn of RE22 in a Rem 7x57 case and the most I could get in the case was 52grns. Any secret here? Geore | ||
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YOU CANNOT CHARGE CASES WITH THIS MUCH POWDER USING A POWDER MEASURE!! WEIGHT ALL CHARGES!! Use a drop tube, OR pour the powder in very slowly, and after pouring in about half the charge, stop pouring and tap the side of the case lightly with a screwdriver about ten times to settle the powder. Then pour in the rest, and tap it again to settle it in. How much powder you can get in depends on the case make, and maybe even the batch of cases. However, I have always been able to get 54 grains of RE 22 into both brass and nickel-plated Remington 7X57mm cases, which appear to have the least case capacity in 7X57mm. Winchester 7X57mm cases seeem to have more space inside than Remington, and Norma 7X57mm cases hold the most powder, in my experience. If you settle the powder correctly, you should have about 0.25" of space left in the case mouth to begin seating the bullet. Of course, this is a heavily compressed load, but compressed loads don't seem to present any problems, as long as they aren't compressed to the point that the case shoulder expands! This problem has never happened to me with the 7X57mm cartridge. [ 11-02-2003, 18:05: Message edited by: eldeguello ] | ||
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I just bought a new Ruger 1A Sporter and sighted it in at 100 yds. with Hornady SST 150gr. shells and to me the recoil is not bad at all, I enjoy shooting it. I put a Leuopold VarX 11 3x9 40mm. scope on mine and am getting 3 shot groups that are touching each other off the bench, so as far as I am concerned I am impressed with the rifle and am getting my moneys worth. I think you would like it. Pa Griz | |||
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quote:Thanks for the info! I looke up the velocity on my load again, it is more like 2480 than 2550 (from the Nosler Reloading Manual). It looks to me like your load is adequate for any non-dangerous game in NA. I am still after an elk this season, and will let you guys know how my load works if I get one. Ben Reinhardt | |||
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| <eldeguello> |
The 1A in 7X57mm is quite a rifle! The 175-grain Nosler will get you an elk, if you put it where it belongs! Let us know how it turns out. | ||
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Everyone thanks for your help. I am saving my money to order one. No one seems to stock #1's. I have a 45-70. I consider #1's to heirlooms instead of just guns to use (I use every gun, heirloom or not). Now if I could just decide between 7x57 or 30-06 . | |||
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Mike, I have one listed for sale (1A in .30-06 with 3-9 Leupold scope) in the classifieds. If you're interested, let me know. | |||
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The #1A with a scope goes 8 lbs so in fact for me they could weigh less. The one I got in 1968 was a 7mm RM and I hunted with it in the woods quite a bit. It was never a group shooter with that barrel but it was on target with it's first shot. Finally I wore the barrel down and got it rebarreled to 30/06 and it's a one MOA rifle now. Sometimes better. The recoil is sharp with 150 gr bullets and getting up there with 165's. I know what 8 lb 06's are like with thin recoil pads and 180's and one would notice that load! At the range I slip on a recoil pad and then it's tame. Overall I have shot this rifle well on game. I never made a really hard shot with it however. The trigger is excellent on this old #1. This is not true of some of the newer ones. The slow locktime is ok. Somehow I manage this aspect of shooting ok with this particular rifle. They are such a pretty rifle. Get one. As to the cartridge. Just get what you want. Each of the choices is adequate. Remember however that if you handload you can load down an 06 to equal a 7mm Mauser but you can't load up the smaller round to equal the Springfield. | ||
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I have owned 1-As in 06 and 308 and never had any recoil problems with them...The 45-70 with a hot handload might be a little grusome to some folks. I am pretty immune to recoil up to a point. | |||
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