Is there anyone currently producing a falling block in .22LR? Anything floating around the used market? This would make a real classy rifle I think. I'm halfway tempted to build one from scratch, but that's more work than I want presently. A Martini action in .22LR might be ok, but they just don't have the lines of a falling bock.

about 15 years ago i sold a bunch of falling block 22 rimfires and 22 hornets. they were made in spain or italy but they were sold under the daniel fraser name. i don't recall who imported them but they were neat little rifles and sized for the small rounds. just to give you something to look for on the used gun market

Cimarron Arms has Uberti Low Wall Winchesters in 22lr.

Rich
DRSS

I think Winchester made a limited run a few years ago. They were in two grades a basic no frills, or grade one, and a high grade with gold inlay of a squirrel on one side and a rabbit on the other. They were pricey though. Just a little under a grand for the low end model.

i have one of the lowll winny's, very nice gun but probably not worth as much as i paid, still it was the only choice at the time

Since this year, Pedersoli makes same Sharps rifles in .22lr. Look at the website, the last three rifles. One I mean is a miniature sharps.

http://www.davide-pedersoli.co...egoriaId=260&lang=en

Martin

There is two or three companies that make a scaled down Sharps( I think it is 3/4 scale)

Hal

BSA had a .22 target rifle built on a Martini action

I have a very fine German rifle made in the '30s. It's still one I use today after 60 years !!

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Originally posted by max(hm2):
about 15 years ago i sold a bunch of falling block 22 rimfires and 22 hornets. they were made in spain or italy but they were sold under the daniel fraser name. i don't recall who imported them but they were neat little rifles and sized for the small rounds. just to give you something to look for on the used gun market

They were sold here in Oz too and I always regret not buying one.

The Weihrauch HW52 has a falling block, too:

Link.

Dakota have done the Model 10 in 22lr......Kiwi

Check out the Gibbs @ Martini and Hagn- the ultimate plinker!!!

Thanks for the info. There are more options than I thought. Unfortunately, it's the standard problem: too many choices and not enough money. A couple thousand $ for a .22 isn't what I want to spend. I'm sure they are worth it, but not to me right now. I'll have to keep looking for something to turn up.

If you'll 'settle' for superb accuracy in a used tilting-block instead of a new falling block, you can still get a splendid Martini BSA Cadet for well under $1000. And frequently A LOT less! Will handily outgroup any falling-block 22RF I'm familiar with, at less than 1/2 the price.

And if you're turning your nose up at the lowly Martini, you should take a look at some of Bob Snapp's creations!
Regards, Joe

JD - I'd love to find a BSA model 12 or 13 target rifle with the nice sights on it for a good price. If you have any sources, let me know!

Unfortunately since Thad Scott passed, my main source of Martinis has disappeared. I'll keep my eyes peeled though.

My own first choice for a fine single-shot RF will probably always remain the original Winchester flat-side low wall, simply because of the looks. The Martinis will outshoot them hands down, no real comparison there, but the little low walls' looks have always appealed to me. Moreover I like the Winchester's kicking ejector and the ability to convert to several forms of set-triggers if wanted.

However if not smithed properly, the RF low wall will occasionally 'spit at you' from a blowout while the Martini will not.
Regards, Joe

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....Martini BSA Cadet....

Like this one?


Shots great at 100m with good ammo, like Eley Tenex or RWS R100.


Martin

The Frasers(spl) were sold as kits or complete rifles.
They were like a tiny Ruger#1.
I think sold thru Cape Outfitters.

Don't forget about E A Brown.

http://www.eabco.com/97ref.html

Savage Firearms still lists the Stevens Favorite, in both regular and take down models. It is listed as their model 30. The retail price on the website is 368-385. You can probably get it cheaper than that if you shop around. I had one a long time ago and they are fun little guns.

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Originally posted by 257x50:
The Frasers(spl) were sold as kits or complete rifles.
They were like a tiny Ruger#1.
I think sold thru Cape Outfitters.

They were originally imported by Thad Scott (owner of the Fraser name) and most were sold through Cape Outfitters. A very attractive little action but, according to Frank de Haas and several other known names, mostly a real disappointment due to rough and awkward operation effort. Too bad.
Regards, Joe

J.D.Steele;
Thanks for the Paul Harvey on the Fraser. It was a trim little gun but was a little rough inside.

Hey The_Captain,

Here are two Gun Shops.

1. http://users.erols.com/apple1co/
" The Gun Shop at Front Royal, VA. Saturdays only, 10 am - 5 pm. 28 East Jackson Street, parallel to Main Street. Parking lot next to store. Telephone: (540) 635-0455 ".

2. http://www.mtguns.com/

I picked-up a custom Rifle from " Appletons " a few years back.


Martini: 12/15 : Custom Stock (Unk Orig ) Heavy Target Barrel with " Eric Johnson " Stamped on Barrel..

Checkout : Rimfirecentral : Martini Forum
www.rimfirecentral.com

PAPI

Here's a very nice photo of a " Basic 12/15, w/ Sights ".


I believe the going price(s)will generally be under $500.00, for a good condition, basic 12/15.

PAPI

My best shooting buddy HATED Martinis.

I love the things from BSAs to Victors and all in between.

It was SWEET!!!

He had to buy one when he saw how phricking great they shot!!!!!!!!

I had one of the little Savage 35G reincarnations of the old Stevens Crack Shot. I replaced the blade front with a Lyman Globe and added a Stevens tang peep from Cape Outfitters and it looked like a little bitty schuetzen rifle. Weakest point was the trigger. Decent barrel.

Paul & Gail Shuttleworth make CPA rifles, a near replica of the Stevens 44 1/2 (slightly larger to accomodate .45-70 size cartridges in .22 rf. I have one, with a 28" #3 barrel, that I use for the scaled-down rimfire version of BPCR silhouette, shooting out to 200 meters. It's finally accurate, but only slightly more so than my Model 12 Martini.

http://www.singleshotrifles.com/

Clarence

The Winchester 1885 are plentiful and very pretty, and affordable. I have purchased the 17M2 and 17 HMR models and love the,

I saw a Fraser repro action for sale this past June at the Quigley. $600 seems to stick in my mind. Still in the cardboard box with the instructions. It would be about the ultimate 22 Hornet if you wanted something slim and trim and all eye candy. I need to call that lady and see if she still has it for sale.

Rich

I have never seen the Fraser single shots live in the flesh, but i think 3 custom gumakers (may be 2, as it was a long time ago and I cannot swear to it being 3) told me about the actions. They gave extremely negative reviews of the actions. It was not due to being rough, but soemthing was seriously wrong with the design and materials being used. Again, i cannot remember the details, but it does not matter, as I can most defintely remember them telling me to not build a rifles on one of the actions. I had one located at the time and that is why i was asking around with my gun maker friends. The guys said that clients wanted them because they thought they were cool, but from a gunmaker's standpoint they were so bad that they would never build another rifle on one of the actions. The actions just likeo a cocked up stock blank. The client may really want it because they think it looks cool, but the grain is bad and will make a terrible stock. again, never saw one in the flesh, but men who were far better gunmakers than myself told me to steer clear.

The Low Walls are pretty cool in my book. Most of the factory .22's I have seen were full length stocked and I beleive most were chambered for .22 short from the factory. I think a .22LR built on one of the actions with a match grade barrel and chamber, along with some smoking hot wood, quarter ribe for sights and scope mounts and front sight and barrel mounted swivel would be a really awesome squirrel rifle.

i used to work with a guy who was a certified gun nut. I mean he even blew me totally away with his enthusiasm. Actually, worked and was friends with his wife too and she loved and bought guns as much as her husband did. We all 3 talked guns every day. he bought a BSA .22 martini and it shot so well he bought several more. He had them in full target and sporter configuration. All of them were really good shooters. I think a good Martini sporter looks really nice. Double-especially so if it is a take down and has a big safety lever on the right side of the action! Put a little bit of fine English scroll, color case harden the action, add a Lilja barrel and soem smoking-hot walnut and you would have the squirrel rifle from hell!!!

there was a Fraser .22 at the last gun show i went to here in spokane. i was intrigued, but upon inspection, the action didn't lock up, the stock was rough and unfinished, and the fore end not attached. when the fore end fell on the floor, i decided no matter the price, i wasn't interested. "Oh!" the guy says, "I've been meaning to fix that!" yeah, sure.

the look of the action and the trim stock sure were interesting, though!

The modern small Frasers have long been known to be the bottom knot on the single-shot yo-yo string. Frank de Haas was one of many gun writers to give an extremely negative opinion of them. Thad Scott, located about 50 mi North of me, was the Fraser owner and importer and sold many of them through Cape Outfitters in Missouri, but they were a financial failure due to design problems.

Steer clear of them, IMO. Too bad.
Regards, Joe

I was keeping an eye on the Frasers that came up on GB. They went for crazy money.


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