Which one works the best and shoot the best. How do you put a scope on the Remington it only has one small slot on the reciever ?
I', looking at a .243 or .223 for a truck gun.

i've got an spr in 30-06. it shoots just about everything i fed it into 1-1/2 to 2 inches, with only a bit of stone work on what was , out-of-the-box, a very rough and long trigger. i took just a bit of creep out of it, but i chickened out on really shortening the travel, trigger block safeties make me nervous, this is the only rifle i own that's not a mauser. it did smooth up quite a bit and is now longish, but at least smooth and not nearly as distracting.
it's a sturdy gun with a good solid feeling lock-up and no extraction problems. it's mighty light and it let's you know it, too!
the scope mounts needed are steel .22 cal. claw type w/1 inch rings. there are dovetails on the top of the reciever. because the recoil is pretty good, the gun wants to back out from under the rings and there are several threads on other sites about guys loosing the scope at the range. the remedy is to make up a small recoil lug, drill and tap the face of the rear mount and put the lug on the mount so that it will sit down in that slot. there have been lot's of other remedies... some guys have had a weaver style base made with a lug for the slot. that works good, but it's allot of work when a simple fix like i did will work just as good. for cheap gun with all the "high-quality" stockqork of a $225.00 rifle, it's actually not bad at all, after just a few hours of fixing what the factory does( or doesn't do) to keep the price down.
i can't say anything about the handi-rifle i never even saw one, other than in a picture.

What does a Remington Bakail sell for? I passed on one at a gunshow last weekend. It was a .308 with a hammer forged barrel appearence. The gun was in really nice shape but was extremely stiff to open. Only one scope mounting slot was available and I didn't understand that. Passed on it at $300. bad deal?

About $240-$290 if you can find one.

http://www.rrarms.com/catalog....on=1037&brand=REMSPR

http://www.budsgunshop.com/cat...hp/products_id/20740

http://www.budsgunshop.com/cat...hp/products_id/20746

I have no experience with the Russian gun, but I have owned a Handi Rifle for several years and can attest to its accuracy and nice trigger. Mine is a Wesson and Harrison target action in .38-55 with four accessory barrels. The scopes mount on the barrels on Weaver bases that mount with three screws. Never had a problem with scopes moving, but then the .38-55 isn't hardly a heavy kicker.

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Originally posted by Cliff Lyle:
Passed on it at $300. bad deal?

considering that a Weatherby Vanguard cost 399, 300$ would a total rip-off, the seller should be charged for attempt of robbery.

most of the stiffness will go away after 50-100 round and a bit of oil.
it will still be hard to open, but very much better than when it was new.
didn't shoot more then approx 100rds in my Baikal, but i had a Baikal o/u shotgun who was very stiff to open when it was new.
after 300-400rds it was nice and smooth.

Sounds like the little voice that told me to walk away knew what it was saying. I love single shots but I wasn't aware enough of this rifle to buy it.

Looks to me like a single shot rifle on an over/under receiver!?

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Originally posted by RaySendero:
Looks to me like a single shot rifle on an over/under receiver!?

its a single-shot shotgun receiver, with a rifle barrel.

I have never handled or seen one of the Russian Remmys but I think a sharp stick would be a better weapon than a Handi-rifle. I did have one of those H&R singles and traded the piece of crap-o-la for an Encore, as that is what the handi was supposed to be.

you did good by walking on that gun. the seller was probably banking on it's fairly unknown of exhistance and maybe a little haggling room. i got mine at Gander last year about 2 weeks before deer season for $225, i wouldn't pay much more than that anywhere.

cliff,
the top of the reciever is dovetailed for .22 size rings and the slot is there for a recoil shoulder of some type to keep the gun from backing out from underneath the rings and scope ..... because of the small dovetails the fact that the gun's so light, the heavier recoiling chamberings will move the scope and rings right off the gun no matter how tight you crank them. a small lug that fits down into the slot, attactched to the ring, will stop it from creeping. several people have lost thier scope after as few as 6 or 7 shots. there is a company (think it's AEG) makes rings designed specificly for the gun with a lug built into the ring. i simply made a small piece of steel, the thickness of the slot, drilled and tapped the face of the rear ring 6-40 and attached it to the ring so that the bottom of the lug sits down in the slot. a drop of loc-tite and no problems after that. i couldn't even tell you the brand of rings i got. i was at a gun show and saw them laying on a table for 10 bucks, they looked like they'd fit so i grabbed them.
so far i have about 100 rounds of varous bullet weights through it and they haven't moved..... my eyes are permanently crossed from the recoil, yuk, yuk,(the 180's and 200's are brutal, worse than the meanest 300 mag i've ever shot), but the scope or rings havent moved.
if you don't mind getting beat from a light gun, it would make a great stick for the mountains.
the wood on mine is sort of dark but it has some nice figure in it and it wood to metal is real decent, but where the mating surfaces shoud be flush, the wood is left very proud of the metal surfaces and the junction between wrist and comb isn't very well defined and there are no flutes in the comb, all typical of low bucks stock work, but a few hours with some cutting edges and a recheckering would make it a fairly hansome, light little gun. i plan to do just that eventually, but i have to build my 35 whelen first.
still i don't think it's a bad buy for the money..... consider now,.... that's comming from a guy whose collection of just 7 guns are all built on mausers ecxept 1 howa, all just decently-built "working-shoot'n irons" with reasoanble wood and only this one store-bought thing-a-ma-shooter.
if a guy likes to putter with his guns, you could say it's a "ready to shoot, ready to finnish" kit gun!. i picked it up because i like single-shots, can't afford a #1 anymore, not afraid to tear into stock and metal work and i saw some potential to turn it into a decent looking shoot'n iron.

Good information Merlin. I thought of the rifle as one that would need some work in order to make it look decent but didn't really have the motivation to make it happen. I love singles but I'd prefer to buy another encore bbl and do it that way.
I did trade for a Blaser K-95 that I am supposed to pick up tomorrow so I think my single shot .308 itch will most definately be scratched.

Cliff

I think you will really like your K95, especially in 308.

My 308 Stutzen is a tack driver.

I'd look for a Contender. Relatively inexpensive,well made, cerainly not rare, lightweight,very versatile, and deadly accurate! (although I have to admit kind of funky looking)
Rick

that's what i don't like about the contenders, they look like a hand rifle with a shoulder stock.....imagine that!!

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Cliff

I think you will really like your K95, especially in 308.

My 308 Stutzen is a tack driver.

I'm supposed to pick it up this weekend. Can't wait...

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I have never handled or seen one of the Russian Remmys but I think a sharp stick would be a better weapon than a Handi-rifle. I did have one of those H&R singles and traded the piece of crap-o-la for an Encore, as that is what the handi was supposed to be.

Bought 2 of them, .243 and .270. Good stuff for the money and no complaints.

Would someone know what type of QR mount would fit in the Baikal’s monoblock if you machined off the dovetail?

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Originally posted by Chappers:
Would someone know what type of QR mount would fit in the Baikal’s monoblock if you machined off the dovetail?

Seems to me you could install any Weaver-compliant rail or Leupold QR base intended for a flat topped receiver (Marlin 336?) for which the hole spacing is correct. Or you could use two piece Leupold QRs and mill slots for them across the dovetailed portion of the monoblock for an even sturdier installation (if that puts the adjustment turret in the right spot).

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Originally posted by Cliff Lyle:
I did trade for a Blaser K-95 that I am supposed to pick up tomorrow so I think my single shot .308 itch will most definately be scratched.

Oh yeah! If you don't love it don't bother telling us, because we won't believe you.

You have hit it on the head Nordrseta. I thought the two piece QR would work best for this project. But the rifle that you mention, Leupold has not manufactured 2 piece QD mount for that firearm. I been looking at this list (http://www.leupold.com/_pdfs/BaseFit_RingHght.pdf ) and i can’t find a firearm that i know of that has a flat receiver and has the QR mount made for it. Can anyone spot one on that link?

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Originally posted by Chappers:
I been looking at this list (http://www.leupold.com/_pdfs/BaseFit_RingHght.pdf ) and i can’t find a firearm that i know of that has a flat receiver and has the QR mount made for it.

Now that I put my readers on I see you're quite correct. How about making do with the Marlin QR 1895/336 (1-Piece) part number 54229? Or, if your 'smith is handy maybe he or she could try the QR Gunmaker bases?

I just talking to a smithy from down south I was quoted that it would not cost more than $200 Au for machining down the parts of the dovetail, trim up the QR Gunmaker, drill and tap mount, put on the scope and zero it in.
So just have to see if i can get the QR Gunmaker mount ( the company that is the only one allowed to import Leupold gear, don’t import the QR Gunmaker mount ) from the states so I have sent a email the company that im getting my scope to see if they can add a mount to my order... let’s hope it all go’s to plan.

We'll look forward to a photo of the finished product. Good hunting!

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Originally posted by Cliff Lyle:
I did trade for a Blaser K-95 that I am supposed to pick up tomorrow so I think my single shot .308 itch will most definately be scratched.

Oh yeah! If you don't love it don't bother telling us, because we won't believe you.

And you are correct, sir. I love it. I've never held a rifle that feels so perfect in hand.

Well getting the mount from the states (Got to say you guys do have some good gear) when the scopes comes.
Then it’s down time and money.
Cheers for letting me bounce some ideas off you all; I’ll keep you up dated on its progress.

I look forward to hearing of the progress.

Well i just received my paper work to pick up my rifle today, (The rifle was purchase about three weeks ago but one thing i have learned in life so far that you can’t rush bureaucrats.) so ill be picking it up tomorrow. Ill try to get pics up and my first thoughts about the rifle before the end of the weekend.

First of all i would like to add that this is my first brake action rifle so i like at apologise for any questions that might seem painful for the season pro.
Well i picked up my IHZ-18 in .308 today, i put her together and the first thing i notice that the action was very stiff so i broke it down to what i dared to and stared remove the grease and oiled the workings.



Now it has gotten a bit better but it’s not like a shotgun at the moment (will it get better with time, is there something i should do to loosen it or should i get a smith to look at it?). Another thing is that 2mill size defence where the actions meet the stock to me that seem like bad workmanship.

Now the good things... first, that barrel just look great it has sixteen faces that have that wonderful twist to it. (Would anybody would know the twist of a Baikal .308?)


The action is nice and tight. The stock in my opinion nice shape and will go with a low to medium mount for a scope. After looking at the dovetail i still think it will not measure up to the recoil and all so that it a tad short, so ill think i still go with my plans for some custom QR mounts.
Im happy with the Baikal IZH-18 but she needs i bit of work like make the action brake and snap a bit smother(any suggestions would be a blessing) and to fix the mounts up a bit. Then i would say she will be ready to take hunting.
If you have notice is that most if the pros and cons i have mentioned are cosmetic, that’s because i have not fired it just yet but when i do ill give you guys a range report.
Cheers.