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Greybeard has told people on that forum to not mention the name accurate reloading on his site. He says the people over here are bad. He also listed many rules to follow and you cant call someone a dumbass even if they are. This guy has always struck me as a big weenie. What do you guys think? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott | ||
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I don't recall him saying not to mention name, but rather don't be flaming them. Aslo, it's kinda like the rest of the world, there's rules to live by. No big deal. | |||
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Actually he said that we should refer to this as "AR" and it's no problem if there is a thread or something here that has something to do with a discussion there. It's David White that he is adamant about noone mentioning. They have had their differences it would appear. I am not privy to that history. As far as calling someone an idiot that is acting like one, he said that you can suggest that someone's actions may not be safe, etc, but you may not attack someone or start name calling. I haven't been there very long but he seems to be a reasonable guy that just wants people to act like adults should. Ian | |||
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In the house rules posted by Mac1170 it says not to list other sites by name or give any invitations to other sites , but Duce has been here twice offering invites to go overthere , and I have talked to Mac about this and he told me it was not his job to check on duce ,and that the rules were grey beards , so in conclusion I state that I was only replying to a post made by mac. But what comes around also goes around.   | |||
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The man seems to have some serious issues with Mike Bellm....don't know don't care. | |||
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David White and Mike Bellm and anyone with a positive few of either person. Anyone who is that angry at somebody must have a reason. Not necessarily a logical reason. In my few dealings with either of these 2 gentlemen, they have been exactly that, gentlemen. | |||
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I can understand not liking someone or thinking someone is an idiot, but banning someone who does not share your particular OPINION is chicken-s*** in my book. And saying not to mention other forums while many of the same guys were wearing out their welcome at Yahoo, HERE, and other forums inviting everyone to greybeards is hypocritical. Besides, If he banned Mortie what good is he? He is from Alabama, but that shouldn't be his handicap.~~~~~~~~~~~~scott | |||
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That is why I have settled down here and not joined the other sites let everyone decide where they belong as far as rules we are all grown men and know right from wrong and don't need someone telling us the rules everytime we post . Now lets get back to our positive atittudes and have fun here with the old and new members on this site . How about that postal match squill man , lets see what you got.And Ia'm still waiting  for a good squill recipe with pork fat and garlic | |||
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This is exactly why I think all the H&R people should come here instead, lets face it AR is the largest firearms board that I know of(and coolest). I have seen some pretty heated discussion in the politics forum on this site, and to my knowledge there is noone that I know of that has been banned. Things have ran than their course here, I have never seen any unconsistant behavior by saeed, I have seen folks flame him pretty bad too, although I think he just laughs at them for getting mad. and what has been the results over here the site has flourished | |||
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You said it!~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott | |||
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There are two Saeeds, the rough and tumble grappler on the political forum and the wonderful gentleman you see elsewhere. He set up the political forum-for the fights! Go on over to the African Hunting board and you will find a true gentleman. Remember, you've been warned about the political forum. I asked someone if they got mad enough to go out and stab their dog with a pitchfork. I do think for most it is in fun. Freedom of speech really is for real at AR! This is a great place to find yourself. | |||
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Quote: This is what I posted for the house rules... No cussing,No nudity,No talking about a couple of forums that don't like Graybeards,No slamming other posters here,we don't need flamming wars here,and don't post a link to another site to get people to leave here and join there. As far as talking with me,this is your post and my response from the PM you sent me on H&R site. Hi Mac I may or may not join graybeards but before you make rules as to recruitment and listing other sites please check with duce as he has already invited people from the AR site to visit graybeards . It truly is a shame what happened to what we all had and enjoyed maybe someday we can all get together on some common ground thank you for your time and enjoy the upcoming season. Posts: 49 | From: penna | Registered: Jan 2004 Mac11700 Member Member # 1261 posted February 09, 2004 05:40 AM First off Big Black...I don't have to check in with anyone except GBO Management,and since this is in the rules set forth in our agreement of joing which you can read from Graybeard,I really don't see the problem.Duce and I were both assigned the position of moderator,in other words we both are the same.I am just following the rules set forth by management...ok? Please feel free to join if you wish to,you'll find it a bit more refreshing than the same old he said-she -said B.S. that help cause the demise of the H&R forum. We do moderate the forum to keep it a family rated site.If you can live by some very deceant rules,you'll have no problems,if you can't well....you can't. I hope you do decide to join,the more the better. Take Care Mac Just thought I would set the record straight on this. | |||
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Hey Mac, you got rules about posting about other forums inviting members away and then you come here and break the rules you spout by inviting everyone here to Graybeards. Now I would hate to break any of your previously stated rules, but I think you should pull your head out of your ass and respect other forums as you would like people to respect yours. OOPS! Didn't mean to cuss or flame or any other naughtiness! But some of you guys are quite full of yourselves and come off as complete hypocrites. Just one guys point of view. Oh yeah, Mortie says "HI". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott | |||
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Scott17: 1. I'm not trying to get any of you to leave here to join at Graybeards.That is not my intent,but to show what was said and how it was said to me. 2.The rules at Graybeards are his, not mine,and I posted those rules for the forum members to see and understand.Graybeards problems are his,and if we wish to be a part of his site and participate in the forums then we have to follow his rules,and really do they seem that bad? 3. I am not breaking any of his rules by coming here and defending what I said to anyone,thru a PM sent to me.We can go and visit any site just as those who choose to go and visit Graybeards are free to do so.The difference is in my posting of the information,and if you really took the time to read it,perhaps you would understand. 4.I have full respect for most people,where ever they choose to be.Always have and always will,and I really don't need to pull my head out from anywhere...thankyou very much...and as far as being a hypocrite that is not the case..I just choose not to get into all the bickering and fighting and cursing to get my point across while discussing my rifles..life's to short for that. You Guys Have a Great 1 | |||
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These wusses tend to take their one weak shot and then turn tail and run. This ain't a quilting bee or tea party. This is mostly MEN (who for the most part act like men)discussing firearms, hunting, etc.... There invariably are a few marys that show up to whine and do the hit-n-run post and never come back. These are the guys who cry about banning Mortie, so and so said a naughty word, He was to rough on me, etc...Act like you got a pair! If you want to disagree with me I am here for the lambasting. I will listen to anything you care to say. I won't run away if you call me a dumbass. There are many places to get warm fuzzies, but most people come here to discuss gums, hunting, politics, humor, etc.... Try it, it's not so bad.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott | |||
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First thing I'd like to say is that Greybeard doesn't necessarily dislike everyone on this site. He had a problem with some people and banned them. That's his business. If he doesn't want it discussed on his site that is his business. It's his site. As far as his "censorship" goes.....I don't usually need to use the language that he forbids on his site in order to discuss guns and hunting and such. Doesn't bother me to have certain rules as to which language I can and cannot use. In the matter of Lik2hunt....I happen to know that he is a pretty religious guy who doesn't appreciate nor does he use that kind of language. Some people just don't like to listen to it or read it. I also can't figure out where you get off calling everyone over there a bunch of wussies. You say that this site is for MEN who act like men and discuss rifles, hunting etc, but then you start this thread that makes you sound like a ten year old. When the H&R board folded, this is the first board that I came to. I still come here and to Greybeards to check and see if there's any new info to read. Seems to be more good info on the GB board so that's where I post most of the time. Oh and by the way....This won't be a "hit and run" post. I'll be back and I'll be interested to hear your reply to this. | |||
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If you read more carefully you will see that I was not calling everyone at gbs wusses. I was specifically targeting those that come over here and post once whining and then proclaim they're leaving forever because we suck. I originally was pointing out that gb asked that no one use the words ACCURATE RELOADING on his site. Pretty chicken s%$# in my opinion. I feel the need to express myself this way and if I have to be 10 then so be it. Censorship is not my cup of tea and a healthy debate won't scare me off. If I was moderating this board I would not ban you for what you said to me. gb would ban you if you said that on his site. This whole discussion started when a few individuals from gbs came here and to Yahoo groups, and a few other sites and wore out their welcome inviting everyone to gbs with no regard to how rude their behavior was. Perklo invited them to leave on Yahoo and others tired of the barrage at other sites. But nobody was so petty as to ask that no one use the words GREYBEARDS on their site. My diatribe was not targeting everyone at gbs, just the A-holes with no home-training and crusty ol' gb hisself. Other than that there are some fine fellows there and I have never personally had a problem with you. Not trying to start ww3, just callin a spade a spade.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott | |||
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Right on WLScott; As soon as I locate some really big hogs,I'll call. Digger | |||
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Don't tell me you weren't refering to everyone at GB's. There were several statements that you made that were general references to everyone at GB's. At least that's how I took it. I'm not a wuss, I'm not a pantywaist, and I definately don't participate in group hugs, or other warm fuzzy feeling activities I like GB's and I guess I just don't really look at it as censorship. It's his house. If you came into my house and started talking in a way I didn't like, I'd probably ask you to leave. If you wouldn't I'd throw you out. There's no such thing as freedom of speech when you're in someone elses home. You are right about one thing....We do have freedom of speech in this country. But with every freedom we have, comes responsiblility. | |||
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"Greybeard don't like us" and I don't care but these people seem to come over here starting fires all the while inviting people to gb , Scott you are fine with me and so is Mortimer but it seems to me that some people come here and use hit and run tactics to cast a very negative picture on this site. We should all remember that we joined this group to make it a better place for free ideas and comments . Just remember these words "HALT WHO GOES THERE"  and we will be better off | |||
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Wes, it's amazing that you can tell me what I meant when I wrote something. You should have been around years ago to help me with my homework. Anyhoo, if you like gbs, great! And you are correct about it being gbs house and such. I just happen to prefer Saeeds house where people aren't kicked out for differing opinions or radical ideas( take a stroll through the politics forum!). If you were a jackass I doubt I'd be found in your house to begin with. I can have a debate or even argument in my house without resorting to banning someone I don't agree with. It seems like the little kid who takes all his marbles and goes home. I have always been of the opinion that reasonable people, equally informed, seldom disagree. And Wes, it's never too late for that hug! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott | |||
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We're having a disagreement now, but I don't think you should be banned for it. I just didn't like the way you jumped all over lik2hunt, and everyone else over at GB's. I wasn't trying to tell you what you said or meant. I was telling you how I took it. There's a difference, believe me. If you only knew how many times I have said something to someone and they took it to mean something completely different. I guess it all boils down to this: If someone doesn't like something you have to say, there's no reason to call them names and try to degrade them. If they want to leave because of the content of the board, let 'em go. It's their choice. You got mad, and started a flaming diatribe. You don't like GB's? Fine by me, but don't extend all of your badmouthing to include me. I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I've never had a problem with anything you've posted about or talked about in the past. I guess this one just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm not going to apologize for it though. And I'm not going to stop coming to this board. I feel like I'm babbling now, so I'll shut up. | |||
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Now THAT was a perfect example of how to act like a man and express yourself. If others had done the same we would never have had this discussion. Take care~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott | |||
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Scott17: Sometimes people just don't feel like arguing with anyone over something like this thread.They don't have a need to prove themselves and feel that if they continue arguing it will degrade even further. That doesn't make them less a of a man than you,it just means they don't choose to continue arguing.Ilike2hunt chooses not to post here...that's well within his rights. I know this has been said before,but...Graybeard has set up His site with His rules.If you don't like his rules then don't join his forum.. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...the problem comes in when someone wishes to express themselves in such a manner,on GBO, that goes against a simple set of rules...these aren't anything major but rather very,very, simple.Mortie appearently violated those rules after being told to stop,several times...What was said exactly...I don't know,I wasn't there...but it was enough to get him banned,and appearently there has been several degrading things said about Greybeard on this forum..If you are serious about finding out the truth...you really need to here both sides to the story..and not just one,and that would entail you speaking with Graybeard himself and hearing what he has to say. Do yourself a favour and speak to Graybeard and ask him his side of the story...after all I sure your interested in what really happened...aren't you? Or are you just interested in continually harping on what You don't think is right no matter what the truth is? Mac | |||
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You seem to have a good relationship with him and it would be very interesting if perhaps you could ask him exactly what the squabble is all about and report back to all of us why he doesn't care for Accurate Reloading people. If I remember correctly, Mortie was just one of many banned from his site for various reasons. Also, I don't think the measure of a man is arguing with me, but my objection was to people whom I have never spoken to before in my life making the one argumentitive and accusitory post and then pronouncing they are leaving forever. If you have a point (and it's not under your hat)then a discussion can resolve most issues. Hit-n-run BS is for sissies in my book. I also have no problem with rules in general, only ones that target a group for the (very questionable) actions of a few. How about if Accurate Reloading had a rule that Mack11700 was an objectionable term and we didn't want it posted on this forum? Then you could show us the proper decorum in your response. Another objection was YOU and some others posting invitations to gbs on many other forums to the point of nusiance. Do you think good ol' gb would allow that on HIS forum? My point being that if you hold HIS simple set of rules so dear, why not try to follow them and respect other forums like he demands (and you enforce) that people respect his wishes. If you can't see the hypocricy in this then we will have to remain in disagreement.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott | |||
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But you gotta admit it felt pretty good to be able to call me an asshole if you felt I deserved it. You won't have that luxury of free speech at gbs. My whole point entirely. Sorry to have to bait you to prove a point, but thanks anyway.~~~~~~scott | |||
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Quote: Oooooo, was that a game or WHAT? Sorry 'bout yer luck there Scott, you're absolutely correct. I should not have called you an asshole. I apologize. But you gotta admit..... Ya kinda had it coming | |||
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First off...my post which invited the person to Graybeards was from a cut and paste of a PM from the H&R forum,go back and look at it closely and I'm sure you'll see that...I didn't come on this site to invite any one person to leave here and join there.I came on here to clarify exactly what I said to the man,in the matter of my consulting another moderator on GBO,and since this was a PM from that person to me on H&R's forum,yes I did invite him to come over,so I didn't break any of Graybeards rules,this is why I posted the entire PM for all to see. Second...It's not me that has a problem with Graybeard...it's you and a few others from what I have seen,so I suggest that you either e-mail him or PM him to give you the other side of the story,if you even want to hear both sides.I can't, nor will I, speak for him in this regard,even though I agree with him on the matter of his being able to Ban whoever he wishes to from his site for rules violations. Third...You seem to have a penchant for making acqusations against anyone who chooses not to argue with you.Is it not the other persons choice to post a rebuttal or not? Is it not the other persons choice to come and go as they please? For a person who chooses one site over another because of the lack of rules of conduct,it seems as though your the one who's doing most of the whinning now. Fourth...are you the type of person who instantly makes up his mind without hearing all of the facts? It would appear that you are if you don't go and talk to Graybeard,and since you have seemed to be the major voice of dissent on this thread against Graybeard,for banning Mortie,and all of the other things that he has supposedly has said...even though I don't see how you could have seen any of it with a grand total of 40+ post on this site to your name and how vehimently you have opposed him and his actions in your posting here.It would seem to me that you would have posted more on the subject when it happened...this being the case it would appear that your on a rant over hear-say instead of facts. Fifth...I have nothing against you personally,except as Wilscott has already said choosing to call everyone on GBO Wussies...I'm not a Wussie... and even though I'm more than a little ticked off..I won't degrade myself to your level of name calling,not out of lack of knowledge on how to do that,but mearly because I choose not to.You said Quote:but in my searching over this site and your post,it looks like the bulk of your post have been more on this topic and on Mortie than anything else.I find that rather odd...are you simply focused on this issue and unable to get over it? If you are perhaps I can suggest some helpgroups for you in this issue.There are severaL support groups which you could join to help you thru this.... and yes I'm sure if you wanted to you could even get a group hug ...... Have a Good 1 | |||
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I agree, it's Bill's site and he can run it anyway he likes. Let it go wild, or delete everything. Run it into the ground. His choice. BUT.. I think it's users have a right to know they're not getting the whole picture. That they're in the dark. To know what's being removed and why. And to know quite often their PM's are being read by a third party. | |||
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CAS: How do you know the PM's are being read by a third party? | |||
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Mack I'll take your advice and go over to "gb" and ask him myself if people are allowed to write out the words Accuratereloadind Forums or not. Also I'll ask if he is able to and if so does he read members PM's. I'll post the results back here. Dean | |||
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Ok I just posted this set of questions over at gb. Quote: Dean  | |||
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Quote: Again,how do you know this? Is this first hand information or are you just using the old hear-say B.S. and then lets bash GBO for something routine? Mac | |||
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Quote: I'd also be interested in an answer to this question. | |||
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Quote:Well, that is what he said and he accidently forgot to answer the question about reading PMs. But otherwise he said a mouthfull. As you can see he clearly trashed on the membership of Accurate Reloading so with my learning disability I will extend my personal invitation for ol' Greyballs to run his tongue right down the back of my trousers! Any of his hangers-on need not feel left out as this invitation would of course extend to you too. Good day~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott | |||
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Scottie, Maybe he didn't answer the ? about the P/M's because it wasn't asked. Just to be Accurate here's what was asked, Sir: Dean Cascio Member Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Orange California Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 1:14 am Post subject: Accuratereloading Forum question for GrayBeard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr Graybeard Over on the Accuratereloading forum there is a raging debate as to the status of the Accuratereloading Forum on your Graybeards Outdoors Forum. Is the word Accuratereloading allowed to be writen on your boards or must it be writen as AR? Are people allowed to come over to your message boards and invite people to come over to other boards without being banned? And what did Big Mortie do to get banned? Dean Cascio _________________ If they don't trust us with guns, how can we trust them with the government? | |||
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Because Bill has banned people for what's been said about him in PM's. People who've never posted a bad word about Bill on any forum, nor posted any "prohibited" or controversial view points. Only discussed the issue with other members (who got banned also) through PM's. He's also stated information in emails to members that he could have gotten no other way. That... or Bill's a mind reader. Now I'm not suggesting that he sits and reads every PM that's sent, but but in the past it's been quite clear that he did read the PM's of certain (former) members. Im not bashing GBO just for the sake of doing so, I'm just stating the truth. I've know Bill since '96-'97(?) from the H.I.S. and then his early Bravenet forums. I always got along well with him in those days. I harbor no personal ill will towards him, I just disagree with how he runs his site. When the opportunity comes about to express why, I do so. I don't have a grudge, nor I wasn't one of the "banned bunch" and mass exodus, (though I assume my account is no longer active). I left years ago when I noticed items disappearing for seemingly no reason. II thought that was BS and voted with my perverbial feet. This was LONG before the Belm fallout and the disruption that followed. | |||
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I don't personally have anything against GB and have only visited his site once. however I don't like the way "the AR guys" are blanketly suggested to be trouble makers. Also some have suggested big mortie is really someone that uses another name and not a real person, I think GB comments add a new shadow of doubt to this assertation. | |||
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Gaybeard is a liar < !--color--> Here is a direct copy and past of the questions I asked Gaybear. Quote: Notice the second to last question. Quote: Gaybeard edited out this part of my question. He is a liar. Gaybeard can and does read peoples private messages that is why he deleted that part of my question. Then to top things off he closed out my account. Gaybeard banned me! < !--color--> I did not use foul language. All I did was ask about Accuratereloading, PM's and Big Mortie and the SOB baned me!! He acted like the coward that he is and just cut off my access. A number of Gaybeards supporter claimed he is a standup guy." Have a problem with Gaybeard, you can take it to him and descuss it". Well I did. Gaybear is not a standup guy he is a liar, and a coward! Dean The first ex- H&R/Talk Forum member to be baned by Gaybeard < !--color--> | |||
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