Anyone heard about the "Effect"

Here's the product description:

BRNO EFFECT
Tip-up rifle Brno Effect intended for hunters who relish calm and ethical hunting events. When shooting Brno Effect you enjoy its simple handling, slim design and excellent precision. The construction and overall execution of the rifle is based on hunting practise. The elegancy of Brno Effect is completed with exuberant machine engravings, usage of quality steel and selected walnut wood. Brno Effect is offered in various calibres and modifications. The rifle can be also equipped with exchangeable shot barrel cal. 20. An exacting customer can choose various possibilities and supplements offered outside the series production namely manual engravings, colour diversity and full stock version.

Technical data:
The solid frame breech equipped with wide wedge guarantees high durability.
The striking mechanism is cocked while opening the gun using top lever. The trigger action is located in the independent trigger mechanism. Sensitive set trigger is set for initiating fine shooting.
The rifle is disassembled by pushing down the slide-valve placed on the forend. The barrel is equipped with the dovetail for scope mount.

Technical info

Caliber 8x57 JRS / 7x65 R / .243 W / 6,5 x 57R / .308W / 30-06Sprg
Overall length 1 020 mm
Weight 2 700 g

Oh my!!!
Pete

Yeah, sort of gave me a warm and fuzzy!

Ken

are there any price indication?

Not that I've seen anywhere.

Ken

The one I handled at SCI Reno, was a .308, and around $1600. Sweet little rifle, and had it been in a rimmed metric round, I would have bought it on the spot. A buddy is working on getting some via Canada. If that works out, I'll be buying a 6.5x57R for the wife, and a 7x65R for me!

Jeff

I do believe I'll have one. Or two....

Is there an idea of when they might become available?

from what i understand these are actually made by CZ and not some turkish backyard shop.
which is the case with shotguns on cz-usa website

but still, 1600$ sounds a bit stiff.
that should be around the same price range as the Sabatti SKL 98 DL

If they only could make it with a less crocked stock..

they are decent rifles though.

Best regards Chris.

Looks great-sounds great! Will it be imported to the U.S.?

ED,

That was my question. CZ has said that they will be, but, as of yet, they are not on the CZ-USA website.

Really hope they will be.

Ken

1600.00 is a bit more than stiff. They can keep them for that price! They are not quite that nice nor refined. Hell, would you pay that money for a single barreled shotgun?

i would guess 1600 is their suggested price & we can buy it for some less, but they will have to upgrade their interior workmanship by a big margin to warrant anywhere near that kind of dollars

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Originally posted by Woodrow S:
1600.00 is a bit more than stiff. They can keep them for that price! They are not quite that nice nor refined. Hell, would you pay that money for a single barreled shotgun?

Actually, I bought a single shot shotgun that didn't even have a safety. It's a KS-5 and it's a trap gun. They cost much more now than what we're talking about here.

A year or two back I corresponded with CZ in Europe about whether they were going to sell the Effect in the US, arguing that it would fill an open niche at the pricepoint between the Encore and the Blasers & Merkels. They seemed pleased I wrote and referred me to CZ-USA, who tersely replied they had no plans to import the Effect...

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The elegancy of Brno Effect is completed with exuberant machine engravings, usage of quality steel and selected walnut wood.

That explains the $1,600.00 price.

I see it weighs 2700Gs,
Can somebody convert that to lbs for me please ?
...tj3006

5.95 lbs

Should we write to CZ-USA regarding the Effect?

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Originally posted by Cliff Lyle:
Should we write to CZ-USA regarding the Effect?

I'd like to encourage them to also offer a plain version - standard wood, no engraving, matte finish - for ~$1000

I, for one, would like to get my hands on one. This fits the kind of hunting rifles I plan to be using when I retire in a few years. I don't plan to get any more hunting rifles that can't be broken down into a case 30" or preferably less long for travel. I don't like the TC Encore. The TCR-83 Aristocrat looks good in pictures but I've never handles one and so don't know how nice they are.

I plan to stick to double rifles, drillings, takedown bolt actions, and take down single shots.

I'd love to have one of these as a 2 barrel set in 8x57JRS and 7x65R.

I'd like to find some better pictures and more information on this rifle.

Brazos Jack

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Originally posted by nordrseta:

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Originally posted by Cliff Lyle:
Should we write to CZ-USA regarding the Effect?

I'd like to encourage them to also offer a plain version - standard wood, no engraving, matte finish - for ~$1000

The street price on the higher grade model may be closer to $1,000 than it will be to $1,600.

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Originally posted by Brazos Jack:
I, for one, would like to get my hands on one. This fits the kind of hunting rifles I plan to be using when I retire in a few years. I don't plan to get any more hunting rifles that can't be broken down into a case 30" or preferably less long for travel. I don't like the TC Encore. The TCR-83 Aristocrat looks good in pictures but I've never handles one and so don't know how nice they are.

I plan to stick to double rifles, drillings, takedown bolt actions, and take down single shots.

I'd love to have one of these as a 2 barrel set in 8x57JRS and 7x65R.

I'd like to find some better pictures and more information on this rifle.

Brazos Jack

Jack, I love your ideas on rifles. I'm moving closer and closer to Single Shots. Currently, I shoot a Blaser R93 and the barrels can be removed without changing scope zero. Makes it really handy for travel. I use a gun case with an extra barrel pouch on the side. It's in the Cabelas catalog and is made for the encore system but it also works great with Blasers.

Since I'm wishing, may I have one in a stutzen? There is something very special about that full length stock and barrel configuration.
I do look forward to seeing some good photos and information on these. I'm only about 4 hrs from Kansas City and if I knew they, (CZ-USA) had some in inventory, I might drive up to see them.

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Originally posted by Brazos Jack:
I, for one, would like to get my hands on one. This fits the kind of hunting rifles I plan to be using when I retire in a few years. I don't plan to get any more hunting rifles that can't be broken down into a case 30" or preferably less long for travel. I don't like the TC Encore. The TCR-83 Aristocrat looks good in pictures but I've never handles one and so don't know how nice they are.

I plan to stick to double rifles, drillings, takedown bolt actions, and take down single shots.

I'd love to have one of these as a 2 barrel set in 8x57JRS and 7x65R.

I'd like to find some better pictures and more information on this rifle.

Brazos Jack

Jack,

My taste in guns, has gone in the same direction as yours has, which is why this rifle has my ears perked up. Most of the guns I've purchased lately have hinge pins(except the No.1).

Taste is a subjective thing. I've handled the TC83, and now, an Effect. I like the look, and feel of the Effect better. It has a single set trigger, as opposed to the double set on the Aristocrat. Unfortunately, the CZ guy told me "no", when I asked if you could order additional barrels....bummer. I still want one....or two!

Jeff

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Unfortunately, the CZ guy told me "no", when I asked if you could order additional barrels....bummer. I still want one....or two!

Probably CZ can't maintain tolerances close enough for interchangeability.

They could still offer multi-barrel sets as a factory special order, but CZ-USA has probably made an unfortunate marketing decision that they want to be able to just order a variety for stock and you only get to choose from stock. They have made a conscious choice to not support such special orders.

I still want one, or maybe two, or maybe....

Brazos Jack

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Originally posted by Woodrow S:
1600.00 is a bit more than stiff. They can keep them for that price! They are not quite that nice nor refined. Hell, would you pay that money for a single barreled shotgun?

That much and much more for a single barrel trap gun. Have you priced the Blasers?

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Originally posted by Woodrow S:
1600.00 is a bit more than stiff. They can keep them for that price! They are not quite that nice nor refined. Hell, would you pay that money for a single barreled shotgun?



That much and much more for a single barrel trap gun. Have you priced the Blasers?

That's the US MSRP. Someone on another forum in Canada said they actually go for 1400 Canadian Dollars there. That's about $1140 U.S. dollars.

So you should be able to get at least 2 Effects and 1 nice scope for the price of a standard grade Merkel K-1 or Blaser K95.

Problem is that even though it's made in all the appropriate calibers - 6.5x57R, 7x57R, 7x65R, & 8x57JRS - the num nuts at CZUSA are planning to only import it in a handful of rimless American calibers like .308 & .30-06.

I'm planning to email and/or call CZUSA to try to convince them that the real market for a European style kipplauf in this price range is in rimmed European calibers. I think anyone interested in an '06 single will not see a reason to pay several hundred over the cost of a Ruger No1 for this.

I hope any of you that are interested will contact CZUSA and tell them what calibers you are interested in.

Brazos Jack

I contacted CZ today and was able to order one in 30-06 only. They list for about 1500.00 and dealer when order today was 1300 and change. They stated they would be here in 60 days or less.

Just for giggles, what optics would you put on it? I like the full stock version, w/ a fixed 4x.

Well, I can't afford a Blaser or Merkel and have exactly ZERO interest in one of these in .30-06.

Besides, I've seen a close up of the BRNO rimless extractor and it looks like a failure waiting to happen.

Is anything else in this price range imported into the States? May an Italian make like the Sabatti Kipplaufbuchse?

Brazos Jack

I would need to measure one up, but a rechamber to Hollands .30 super flanged could be just the ticket.
Steve

I plan to use a schmidt bender 1 1/2 to 6x42. Just because I have one on hand on this rifle. I got bit very hard on single shots a few years ago on them I currently own 3 high wall browning 1885 in 223 , 45-70 BPCR, 45-70 hunter, , all of the calibers in the low wall size including 22 long rifle, 17 cal, 223, 22-250, 242 and 260 Remington, 357 mag, 44 mag, and 45 colt and one 45 colt re chambered to S&W 460, two hall actions one in 308 and the second one being built in 300 H&H, last but not least a Hagn being build by Classical Barrel and gun work in 375 H&H, last but not the end a CZ single shot on order in 30-06 as you can see I need more single shot rifle.

I just got off the phone with CZ to check on the quality of the wood and to see if they were going to have a cheek piecer or not. I was told that the wood was going to far better that any of the photos shown and there was going to be a cheek piece, they went on to say that in about 90 days there was going to be scope mounts offered for the gun and yes I asked if there was going to be any other calibers in but was told know at this time. tHE ONE i ORDERED SHOUD BE HERE IN 60 DAY OR LESS.

Other than CZ, what are our options? I'm aware of the Blaser, Merkel, Ruger, Encore, Browning, Winchester, H&R, NEF and some used older ones.
Who am I leaving out?

I have a Blaser K 95 Stutzen in 308.
It is one of the most accurate hunting rifles I have ever fired. It has never shot a 3 shot group over one inch with 6 different factory loads and one handload wioth bullets from 150 to 180 grains.
The rifle being fired prone using a hunting pack for a rest.

Yes, the K 95's are kinda pricey, but they are most excellent.

I have 2 R93's with multiple barrels and absolutely am dying for a K95 Stutzen...

O.K., lets talk about what is and is not a European style stalking rifle.

Characteristics:
1) Light – 2.3-2.7kg (5-6lbs)
2) Barrel length with half stock forend – 60cm (23.6”), 50cm (19.7”) with full Mannlicher forend
3) Chambered for deer (CXP-2) class cartridge appropriate recoil-wise to such a light rifle
4) Capable of quick and convenient takedown into 2 pieces for backpacking or travel
5) Stocked and balanced to come to the shoulder and handle like a good bird gun
6) Almost universally a break open (kipplauf – literally “drop barrel”) hammerless action

The Ruger and Winchester/Browning falling blocks are too heavy and cannot practically be made to make weight. The Ruger, due to its mainspring arrangement, cannot be practically made into a takedown. The Browning can be, but the cost takes it well beyond my budget and into the price realm of the Blaser and Merkel.

The T/C Encore, while a fine utility rifle, is particularly ungainly and can never be made to handle like a proper stalking rifle should.

The H&R could be restocked to handle O.K., but its action and trigger are crude at best and I doubt anything could be done without making it unsafe. Additionally, I want to find something that looks at least somewhat the part, and the exposed hammer H&R just doesn’t make the cut.

The reason a Canadian acquaintance got a good deal on his Effect was because he got it 2nd hand from an old German machinist who wanted a rifle like those used in his homeland. Only .30-06 was available and it took very little use to convince the old German that 5-1/2 lb rifles and the .30-06 cartridge don’t go together. The current owner sent me some close ups of the open action. I wish I had a way to post them from here and will email them to anyone who can. The modification BRNO has made to the extractor to make it work with rimless cartridges is a flimsy joke and a failure waiting to happen.

In a proper deer class rimmed cartridge, the Effect would be just fine and within an acceptable price range. I have very little info on them, but I think the Sabatti Kipplaufbuchse or Chiappa Overtop might also be O.K. if they are ever imported into the U.S.

The Merkel K-1 and Blaser K95 are great, but their lowest grades without optics are more than twice my budget.

If any custom barrel maker still offered T/C TCR Aristocrat barrels, it might be possible to make a reasonable stalking rifle from one, but I believe all the custom barrel makers had to drop the TCR when the T/C factory fire cut off their supply of monoblocks.

So, all of the suggested rifles either are totally out of my budget by more than a 2 to 1 margin or are not and cannot be made to be European style stalking rifles by any stretch of the imagination.

Brazos Jack

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Originally posted by Cliff Lyle:
Other than CZ, what are our options? I'm aware of the Blaser, Merkel, Ruger, Encore, Browning, Winchester, H&R, NEF and some used older ones.
Who am I leaving out?

There's the Knight KP-1 and the Mossberg SSi-One (but it's pretty chunky for stalking rifle). In theory Remington intends to/does/did import the Baikal single-shot. Don't forget the Contender. It's no powerhouse but it sure handles better than the Encore. Oh yeah, a distant last place straggler is the Rossi. Not only an ugly little gat but rough as a cob. It makes the H&R/NEF look like a refined piece of work.

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Originally posted by Brazos Jack:
O.K., lets talk about what is and is not a European style stalking rifle.

Characteristics:
1) Light – 2.3-2.7kg (5-6lbs)
2) Barrel length with half stock forend – 60cm (23.6”), 50cm (19.7”) with full Mannlicher forend
3) Chambered for deer (CXP-2) class cartridge appropriate recoil-wise to such a light rifle
4) Capable of quick and convenient takedown into 2 pieces for backpacking or travel
5) Stocked and balanced to come to the shoulder and handle like a good bird gun
6) Almost universally a break open (kipplauf – literally “drop barrel”) hammerless action

The T/C Encore, while a fine utility rifle, is particularly ungainly and can never be made to handle like a proper stalking rifle should.

If any custom barrel maker still offered T/C TCR Aristocrat barrels, it might be possible to make a reasonable stalking rifle from one, but I believe all the custom barrel makers had to drop the TCR when the T/C factory fire cut off their supply of monoblocks.

Nice analysis. I agree the Encore handles like a 2x6. The TCR handled nicely but I couldn't abide the safety, which seemed to take three hands to turn off. Still, it proved that a nice kipplauf can be made at a price point a working man could afford.

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Originally posted by Jon Beutler:
Just for giggles, what optics would you put on it? I like the full stock version, w/ a fixed 4x.

A fixed four would certainly do, especially on a stutzen, but I'm inclined to take my time when hunting with a single-shot and prefer a Leupold 6x 42mm MC4.