Leave it to Remington to produce a single shot bolt gun with a stock that only a right hander can shoot. What a bunch of idiots.
BTW, Remington's website says the rifle is built on the XP100 pistol action, not the Mod. Seven rifle.
Looks like a nice rig for a right hander if you want a SHORT, short action. Otherwise, a solid bottom, short single shot action from Savage is just as accurate and about half the price.

Jon

I think that the XP100R and the Model Seven are the same action. - Dan

I did read the above posts..VERY CAREFULLY.



It's still childish whinning by 15% of the population because every product made for the other 85% aren't altered to suit them..



It's simple.If Remington thought there were enough LEFT HANDED shooters that would buy THAT model of m700,40x, whatever,they WOULD make a mirror image version.



What they would not do is make a right handed bolt gun with an ugly,boring looking, amidextrous stock that will make it LESS appealing to 85% of their customers just to suit a few left handed whinners...



Deal with it,move on,buy Savages from now on if it makes you happy..



Otherwise, you should not critisize Remington for running their company like a business rather than a charity for a few left handed whinners...........

As a LH shooter, might I ask to you; Sharpsman, to REREAD what the man is saying? Let me translate for you: He says - "I don't really need a LH action, but I would like to have a 'normal' stock, usable when shooting from the other shoulder instead of a thumbhole 'thing' - which is completely useless to LH shooter." STOCKS - NOT ACTIONS!
Which part of this is it you don't UNDERSTAND?
Any LH shooter is already quite used to manipulating RH things - but when a company makes a product that you cannot even grasp or hold, then you cannot even consider purchasing the rifle. I'll refrain from calling you names, like you do to other people...

The only folks who are IDIOTS are the left handed people of the world who think EVERYTHING should be made available to suit only 15% of the population.



What part of this don't you understand?



About 15% of shooters are left handed.



About 15% of Remingtons gun lineup is available to lefties..





Learn to shoot right handed or make your own rifles,just don't expect a gun company as big as Remington to go broke making every bolt model they offer in a left handed version...

I disagree that there are "very few lefties" interested in this type of rifle. No gun maker (even Remington) would make left hand firearms if they did'nt make money on them. That thumbhole stock makes the gun unusable for a left hand (or left eyed) shooter and that amounts to a significant number of customers. A single shot bolt gun is completly useable for either a left or right hand shooter with a "normal" stock. I doubt many Remington customers are going to buy that rifle just because of the stock. In my opinion they would sell more of them (and make more money) with a non-thumbhole stock.
If you think there is no demand for left hand bolt actions (especially short ones) take a look at the "gunsmithing" forum and note the number of people trying to buy them from Montana Arms. They have more than a year of backorders.
You can tell I'm no fan of Remington but that's another topic. And, you are dead wrong about Savage. They are very accurate rifles...especially the new accu-trigger models.

Jon

The reason the rifle is not offered in left hand is the same reason large numbers of guns are not offered in left had very few leftys and fewer that may be interested in this gun. This doesnt make them idiots. As for Savage I know a number of people that have them and none group less than two inches. Also the xr100 is based on the xp100 which is the 600 series action.

I'm not sure where you got the impression I was "whinning" about the availability of left-handed guns. I was really making a comment on Remington's choice of the stock. I too got used to shooting from the left shoulder many years ago and probably quit whinning about things I can't change ever earlier.
Your comment about 15% being left handed got me thinking. The ONLY thing I do left handed is shoot rifles/shotguns. I wonder how many shooters you can add to that 15% that also have "cross dominance"? I personally know three other hunters/shooters with exactly the same problem so you can probably add a few more percent to Remington's bottom line $ losses.
I'm afraid we are just going to have to "agree to disagree" on this one because I'm not sure if it's possible to communicate with someone that actually likes dumbhol...er thumbhole stocks. And, I'll take back what I said about them being idiots. They ARE the oldest U.S. gunmaker and they DID make more single shot rifles (the rolling block) than anyone else.

J

A significant number of left handers does not mean they will buy one. When A company comes out with somethuing neew they usually do not ooffer it in something everyone can use. Sorry I now of three people with
Savage rifles two with the trigger you talk about none are happy and these are experienced shooters and reloaders. Also Martinibelgian the same goes with this type of stock just as with the action you can't manufacture everything for everybody. Remington is not the first to offer a thumbhole in right hand only sounds like people just looking to complain . If someone wanted a traditional stock you have the 700 vls in same calibers and cheaper may not have the same trigger but you can always upgrade.

First off I appologize for my TONE in the above posts.I did not intend to sound so mean.

I was mainly defending Remington's right to make a profit and they can't do that if the tooling cost for a product exceed it's potential sales.

For what it's worth,my younger brother is left handed and I have had a constant struggle over the years to help hime find suitable rifles.Since we were teenagers, I have had to explain to him the facts of life,namely,many longuns he likes will NEVER be offered in a true left handed version due to simple economics.

He always understood why,and realized the likelyhood of all his favorite rifles being made in a lefty version was about the same odds that a bale of $100 bills would land on his from lawn..

Over the years ,he has made do with lever guns,semiautos and falling block single shots.He also loves traditional Single Action revolvers-no problem for left handers ..

About ten years ago,I bought him a left handed Savage 110 in .270,used it for a few seasons and then decided he liked his Ruger No 1 better than a bolt gun...

So you see even if Remington DID make a true left hand model in every bolt gun they make,it does not mean that every lefty would even want one...

I see we had helluva discussion about the XR-100 stock back in September. Myself I would think an HS Precision stock would be a nice addition for this rifle.
Has this rifle hit the shelf yet? If not when is expected other than the general spring of 2005?

I'm not sure where that 15% idea comes from. When I was teaching kids to shoot in a Jr program, I found that about 1/3 of them were left eye dominant. Many had been shooting right-handedbecause the equipment was nominaly right handed, and that was the "correct" way to do it. Of course, right handed thumbhole stocks were out for them as were standarad rifle stocks. For our team members using such rifles, we found it necessary to have 1/3 of our rifles with left handed stocks.
Such stocks with nearly vertical pistol grips or thumbholes are great for kneeling or offhand position shoting but are hardly of use with bench or normal hunting shooting. Most shooters in prone matches, where it is legal, use a "prone" stock. Guess what. They are very like a clasic stock.
Incidentally, I am a lefty with right eye dominance.

I'm right handed, and I really don't like thumbhole stocks (but I do have one).

It's an interesting offering and at half the price of the traditional Rangemaster (which is offered in southpaw configuration). It's a puzzlement on the calibers that are available, why not PPC or BR and why only 22 caliber?

Like Jlongo said, the grip is great for offhand shooting and lousy from the bench. You could always restock it for a bit more and still be under the Rangemaster cost. (don't know about the quality)

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Originally posted by rcw280:
As for Savage I know a number of people that have them and none group less than two inches.

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RCW280,
The folks you know must have all gotten extraordinarily inaccurate Savage rifles (that is if you are referring to centerfire bolt actions).
The Savage 110 and 10 series are widely recognized as the best accuracy per dollar value in the rifle market today. They almost always shoot well right out of the box. My model 112 has been the absolute most accurate factory rifle I have ever worked with.
The well respected gun scribes write the same observations of the Savage bolt rifle. And even those participants of these forums whom hate the Savage as the ugliest creation of man, generally concede its accuracy capability.

I just took a look at the Remington site to see firsthand what we are talking about.
They bill it as a "target rifle". If so, why only varmint calibers? Now, if they were to chamber it for the 6.8 Grendle or other viable target round (I don't think the action is long enough for 308) and if they made some provision for iron sights, and added blocks on the barrel for a target scope, they might have something here. The 40X trigger is a joy, at least on my 40X, with very clean break and no creep or overtravel. Still, for a real target shooter, (Looking at the possibility of building it into a free rifle) a very light (2 to 4 oz) 2 stage trigger like my Anchutz would be nice.
The calibers provided are nowhere near enough for silhouette shooting (I dn't think a puny little .224 pill will lay down a ram at 500 metres, let alone the 20 cal.)
What we have here is the beginings of a darn good varminter; allthey have to do is put it into a decent varminter stock.