Anyone have a #1 in 7x57? If so, are you happy with it? Any problems?

Thanks

I have had a 7x57 Ruger #1 Mannlicher for years. It's light, easy to carry, short, sweet and functions flawlessly. It's always been my loaner beginner gun as there's no better gun to give a novice. One bullet one shot and safe.
I think that about sums it up.

I own a No 1 RSI in 7mm Mauser that has the 20-inch barrel and full stock forend. I love this little rifle but it’s more toy than tool to me. I’m still working with load development, and although I have shot some ½ inch 3 shot groups with it, on average, 5 shot groups are closer to 2 MOA than ½ MOA. So far I have 2 loads that would work all right as a 200 yard and closer deer/elk rifle. Because it’s my toy (my little “sweetieâ€), I don’t hold it to the higher standard I use for my No 1 Bs and V.

I love this little 3 shot group. "living the dream"



This however is typical of the load though. Sometimes they’re bigger, sometimes they’re smaller but this is about the average group.

I have a pretty little 1a in 7x57, one of the older ones with a long throat. It seems to shoot better with the 175 gr rn bullets.

It was a gun show find about 3 years ago, metal was good but stock looked like it had been soaked and set in hot sun for years, Most of factory finish that was there was clouded, with big spots missing, just enough to see that there was some interesting grain there.

After a couple of years playing with the wood it is one of the most attractive rifles I have, and one of my favorites.

Owned a few #1s, not a 7x57.....usually never shoot more than a 3shot group, heck, if you don't make the first count.......may not get another anyway.

If first shot cold bore accuracy/POI consistent, it is good to go hunting! Typically achieved Sub MOA from most of my #1s, usually w/no mods.

I have a No. 1 7X57 RSI. It, like others posted here, is accurate until heated up by firing. MickinColo's second target reflects the norm for mine.

Mine is a #1A in 7X57, and it shoots plain old Winchester 145 grain factory ammo into 3/4" at 100, does just fine day in and day out. Taken a good number of deer with it, no problems.
Walt

My #1 7x57 is a rifle made up from parts and has a take off barrel. Last fall I toke a deer with it.
The rifle is extremely accurate with 140gr Accu Bond bullets. Also I had difficulty obtaining the Alex Henry fore arm, had to send in the gun to Ruger to get one installed. They would not sell me one for me to install,
but they produced a very nice match with the stock.

Open sights parts and the 1/4 rib came from Brownell and some parts did not fit and had to be exchanged.

All in all the rifle turned out to be most excellent

I have a 1A that will shoot 140-grain Nosler Partitions into some pretty small groups using Remington cases and 53.5 grains of WW 760 with Federal 210 primers. The MV is close to 3000 FPS, and yes, it has a long throat (it is a Liberty model). I realize this is a hot load, but I have been using it since 1976 with no adverse effects on me or the rifle. I usually get 10 loadings out of a batch of cases.

LOL…. Yes! I would say that’s a little hot.

My 7/08 loads shot 2900-2960 in 21" barrels, 2 different rifles, w/139/140 class bullets. One grain over book w/Varget. Flat primers, no side effects to me or my gun. 7x57 has a tad more capacity I believe than an '08 so yes it's an 'upper end load' but apparently shown safe in his rifle, as my 708s did in mine.

No need for more in a 7mm for me....for my hunting.

I didn’t think that I implied that El Deguello load was unsafe. The fact that El Deguello's load is 6.5 grains over book (Nosler Volume two is the only Nosler Book I have that lists a load using 760) doesn’t fright me. Even Hodgdon’s website lists the maximum load at 47.0 grains.

IMO these published loads don’t really tell a true story about the potential of a modern 7mm X 57mm.

IMO the 7 X 57 needs to be treated by the manuals much like they treat the 45/70. Loads for the old guns, weak guns, and loads for the modern made guns. IMO If they did that, El Deguello load would only be a grain or two over book. But over book just the same.

I purchased a new 1A 7x57 2 years ago.
Scoped it with a Nikon Monarch 2-7 in Ruger double offset mounts.
Initially accuracy was not much to brag about.
1.5"-2" 3 shots @100 yards.

I 3 point bedded the forend , lightly polished the sear engagement surfaces and spent some time developeing loads.

Now,with 150 Nosler BT, BR2 primer and 50 gr of H4350 it will put 3 shots from a cold barrel into less than an inch with boring regularity.

Many are less than 1/2".

5 or 10 shot groups, with less than 5 minutes between shots, you might not be able to cover the group with a paper plate, but what the heck, it's a deer rifle.

I also have a great 168 SMK / IMR4064 load.
Wonderfully accurate less than MOA at 300 yards.
If only someone held a 3 shot rifle match


This rifle is one of the most fun rifles I own, but it can be frustrating.

PS
None of the H414 loads everyone recommended worked worth a hoot.
Rifles and especially Ruger rifles are individuals.

Good luck
Covey16

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But over book just the same.

My loads in the Ruger 1A are "over book". But I must point out that I worked up my loads decades before the books you are using were even published. They worked and were safe then, and my gun has not changed since 1976.....

I see no particular reason to change them now, just because someone has recently published a book that shows lower maximum loads!

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Originally posted by El Deguello:

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But over book just the same.

My loads in the Ruger 1A are "over book". But I must point out that I worked up my loads decades before the books you are using were even published. They worked and were safe then, and my gun has not changed since 1976.....

I see no particular reason to change them now, just because someone has recently published a book that shows lower maximum loads!

You can just about throw the book away when it comes to ruger 7x57.

Mine is a newer "shorter throat version" and with several different bullets I can virtually drop a bullet down the chamber and put a case in on top of it.

When seated 1 caliber deep in the neck,some bullets are jumping .10" or more.
When seated at sammi max or at some of the lengths recommended in reloading manuals the bullet is virtually jumping a foot.

I neck size mostly and the chambers are so large that I can necksize 5-7 times before I have to full length resize and the cases develope a slight bulge above the base.

Here are a few sample dead lengths of bullets I've tried(some of which shot very well even with all the jump.

154 Horn RN 3.160"
140 Nos BT 3.205"
175 Rem CorLokt 3.221"
154 Horn SST 3.249"

175 Nos Part 3.098" and Sierra 150 SP 3.093 come closest to the Sammi max col of 3.065 (which doesn't matter 1 whit in a #1 but does let u seat bullets deeper and still stay within yelling distance of the lands.

I have a ton more data, but the point is that case capacity,freebore and a very strong action allow for safe loads well beyond what books,some of which use model 95 Mausers as test rifles, suggest.

El Deguello has been loading for 7x57 a very long time.
He wouldn't steer you wrong.
Neither would Atkinson.

Covvey16

I have one 150-grain load for the 7X57mm that is NOT over book-it uses the Nosler Ballistic Tip 150-grain bullet and 50 grains of IMR 4350-this is a very mild, but very accurate, load. The MV is just at 2700 FPS, and the bullet is seated so far out, the bullet is barely held in the case mouth!

here's a 100 meter (110 yards) target shot with this load, but in my Venezuelan M1924 FN Mauser (which also has a long throat.)



I fired two rounds, then adjusted the scope one inch left, and fired the third shot. See where No. 3 would have landed, had I not fooled with the scope?? (Hint: little red spot....)

This has been my best combo with 175 grainers out of my 1A. really like the rifle with a fixed 6x leupold.

El Deguello
The load you listed 53.5gr WW760 is just fine in a Ruger #1 even though the book listing is a lot lower.

Here is a prediction of "QL": The 7mm Mauser Pmax (MAP) is rated at 56656psi.

Your load with the 140gr Nosler-Partition Bullet seated .275" and OAL of 3.089" will generate 63707psi and a MV with a 22" barrel of 3009ft/sec MV.

I frequently load my Ruger#1 and Ruger#3 to that kind of pressure without any problems. Simply because the Ruger#1 can handle any pressure for any of the big Wby magnums. 65kpsi is not outrageous, but your case life maybe shortened.

As can be seen the the 7x57 in a Ruger#1 is a powerhouse. These loads should not be used in other actions.

My 1-A is another older pink pad version.
Shoots just about any 140 grain bullet into sub MOA and the 140 grain Nosler balistic tip, behind 50 grains of H-414, is about .50 inches and about 2900 FPS. A slightly hotter load was just as good but in my rifle , there was not much of a velocity increase.
The t-shock barnes 140 was deadly acurate with the same powder charge...tj3006

I have been shooting the 7x57 since the very early 1950s..I learned long ago from using the Brno 21 and 22 models with their long throats and 30-06 length magazines that with H414 powder I could use large doses as much as 8 grs over most book maxes and be safe..My favorite all time use on anything load has been a 160 gr. Nosler at 2946 FPS (10 shot av.) and the 130 gr. Speer at near 3200 FPS and even with that long jump the 130 gr. Speer shot very accurately...

The combination of the long throat and magazine coupled with H414 powder puts the 7x57 in the same class with factory loaded 7 Mag ammo..and I have chronographed them both out of curiosity and my 7x57 beat the underloaded factory magnums, not so when the 7 mag is handloaded however..

In effect on several but not all long throated and magazine guns you, in effect, are shooting a Improved case of sorts, there is just more than one way to skin a cat..

This and imp. cases only have worked well for me with the 250 Sav., 257 Robts, and the 7x57 Mauser...Take note that P.O. Ackley himself said these are the only 3 cartridges that really got him over 300 FPS improvement..I will add the 25-35 Win to his list.

I have experminted with a few other IMP versions of cartridges but never found them to be worth the expense and effort involved..and keep in mind its pretty hard for anyone to say these imp. rounds don't work after they have dropped a handfull of dollars in them, they just won't admit it as a rule!

I see there is one now up for sale in classified section.

I bought a Ruger #1 in the RSI (full length stock) for my son.

The rifle shoots OK. As the barrel heats up the shots will creep to the right.

It shoots 140 grain Barnes Triple-X bullets quite well. We also worked up some Nosler 120 grain Ballistic tips loads for antelope. My son bagged a small buck with 2 150 yard shots.

It is a fun rifle to shoot and recoil is very reasonable.

A funny story about the rifle: I bought it off of one of the gun action sites. The owner said it had only had 10 rounds through it. He had bought it for his daughter-inlaw who used it for deer hunting in Penn. On her first opening day, she walked out in the woods, saw a bear, came back to the cabin, and never went deer hunting again. LOL

My son's antelope:
http://forums.huntnbuds.com/phpBB2/download.php?id=161

Bill