How can you mount a scope on one of these.
It has two d/t holes on the receiver but nothing on the octagon barrel. The rear open sight is dovetailed into the barrel. Are there bases to suit the dovetail? Or do you neend to drill amd tap for a front base?

Fred,

Maybe this will help ya.

Tim

http://www.chuckhawks.com/winchester_low_wall.htm

Tim
That sounds ok. I found a set of Leupold 50012 bases using the dove tail. God knows who has a set of those. Do you know who would have them?

Fred

That's a high wall base set...

http://www.nightvisiongear.com/xq/ASP.prod/pid.3596-210...1885-hw-2pc-base.htm

I think this is for the low wall..

http://www.nightvisiongear.com/xq/ASP.prod/pid.3675-210...rd-1885-2pc-base.htm

Tim
Neither one of the two have a front dove tail.
The one I am looking for has a dove tail to fit in the slot for the open sight.
Fred

Fred, I can't find any reference to the 1885 LW that's not drilled and tapped on the barrel, are the base mount holes under the rear sight by chance? There are several threads on it at RFC in the Winchester forum, none say anything about using a base that fits in the rear sight dovetail. They use either the 51260 or 50012 leupold bases depending on whether it's the 22lr or 17hmr.

Sorry, you must have a special Canadian model! ! Maybe a call to Winchester?? or Browning is in order??
(800) 333-3288

Tim

http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.a...type_id=095&cat=002C

Thanks Tim.
I find out if the tapped holes are under the rear open sight. It seams what what the write up says, you have to remove the Open rear sight.
Perhaps there are screw holes.

Man that is one fine looking rifle.

They mounted a scope with bases and rings supplied by Browning.
Would be nice to get a set like that. I searched all over but could find nothing.

I let you know what I find out tomorow.

Fred

Tim.
Here is the scoop.

The front base screw hole are under the rear open sight.

The bases and I got them are Leupold "STD BR1885 Low Wall 51260." I am all set up using med high rings with a Burris 6x HBRscope.

Sounds like a good deal, shooting report required, ya know!!

Tim

Well I got the scope mounted. The Leupold bases didn't fit too well.The rear base was 10thou too low.

The front base was not level with the bore and needed fitting It toke me all day to put the scope on. It was the only set of mounts I could find.

The front cam-lock ring is so tight nearly impossible to line up. And god forbid if you use the scope to turn them. Had to make a thin wrench to get them in line.

Not a good system in my opinion. But strong as ox. I managed to fit the mounts so the reticle is in the optical center with the bore.

The scope I used is a Burris 6x HBR with a 1/8" dot. Not the best reticle for hunting and field shooting.
But that was the only one I had that was not being used.

This is a nice looking rifle with a silk smooth falling block. Alas it did not have a manual in the box and nobody could say where it was.The trigger breaks at 46oz, pretty heavy but clean.

The rifle is suposed to have an adjustabe trigger but the screw does not turn?

I dampened the barrel with a hard rubber block between the hanger tip and barrel, and a damper on the fore arm tip with a bit of uplift.

This also works extreamly well on a Ruger #1. The Ruger # 1 is still my favorite single shot.

The first lesson I had with the rifle is cleaning that dinky bore with that skinny Dewy rod. If the patches were any smaller you would miss them altogether.

Will have to see what happens after I shoot some bullets. For sure cleaning will be a pain.
That size bore wont be accurate unless you frequently clean the bore.

I can see where Moly-Fusion would work well in that bore. Opinions please.

Fred,

All my 17hmrs like to be dirty, shoot until accuracy drops off which will be several boxes of ammo.

You can download the owner's manual here, it's 4Mb tho!

http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/om/03102_1885_rimfire_om_s.pdf

Pics please!!!

Tim

Thanks Tim.
Seams you are the only one interested in this thread. Here are a few pics.
Not too great the case hardning is not showing up.

That's really nice Fred, please let us know how it shoots, if it shoots half as good as it looks, it oughta shoot real good!!

Tim

Well I am interested in this thread Fred....Fact I was shooting cast bullets in my Browning Low Wall yesterday and was thinking about this thread ... At first my little .357 was throwing rounds all over the target and I was going to ask you how you installed those rubber blocks in your forearm and where you got them.....after I fired around 30 rounds it started to settle down a bit and looks like it might be an excellent shooter...
I don't own a .17 cal. and probably won't get one as there are no praire dogs or gophers around here....I fellow I used to cross shift with bought a Marlin bolt in .17HMR... every fall he sets up a feed pile for coyotes around 120 meters from his back porch and was shooting them with his 22-250...Last winter he shot two with his .17 and said they went down where they were shot....He is shooting from a rest and places his shots very carefully...the first was shot in the neck and the other was shot just behind the shoulder in the heart lung area....he did a autopsy on the last one and found the bullet peeled all the way back to its base just under the hide on the off side..He was shooting the original Hornaday plastic tip bullet not the harder bullet they came out with later....
Last spring he took his boys over to a shoot gophers NW of Calgary...We always have thought/read that you have to have .233's,22-250's,or the new Ruger .204 to shoot gopher's...He said they did the vast majority of their shooting with their rimfires and really love the performance of their .17 rimfires!
If I lived in that country I would have a .17HMR for sure....
Forgot to ask, is that a empty case deflector behind the hammer?...the centerfire Low Wall's I own,have extractors but I would think with the small rimfire cases they have ejector's.....

Low Wall.
Look at my pictures in this thread you see the wood block between the hanger and the barrel.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...=799101735#799101735

With my low wall I used 2 pieces .132" thick of hard rubber belting glued them togeter and glued one side to the hanger. You have to spread the hanger a bit to get tension on the barrel.

On the Rugers I tried different thicknesses bur .032" plus the spacee between hanger and barrel proved best on two rifles.

On the foreend you can use bedding or a flat piece of wood to dampen vibration the amount of up lift is not cast in stone, but 8-10lbs seams to work good on most sporter barrels.

Never had too much luck with free floating a light sporter barrel.

Yes that os a deflector on my rifle, it has an ejector which seams to work really well.

Until now I have shot gophers with a 6x47 a 222Rem Mag necked up to 6mm. A deadly varmint cartridge with 55gr V-max. Had them going over 3600 ft, but cut them down to a lot less. The Handi Rifle did not like these speed balls.

Two of my friends shoot the 17HMR and they worked well on gophers. So when I found that Win Low Wall in 17 HMR I grabbed it. I am going to shoot it and break it in on the range in the morning .

Broke in the rifle to day fired 15 rounds and cleaned three times. After the first box of 50 shells I got the the group below. I am very pleased with the rifle's accuracy. There is some vertical stringing but I am not sure what to do about it. I think it has to do with the variable speed of the ammo? But then a 3/4" vertical group is not all that bad.

The ammo I used was Remington 17gr V-max. They must be getting the bullets from Hornady.

Oh ya, I forgot the distance to the target was 100 yards.

Boy your little .17HMR is shooting as well or better than my friends Marlin bolt action....I'm going to have to try that rubber wedge between the barrel and forearm you spoke of above....thanks for the tip Fred!

Fred, that's not vertical stringing, it's just the wind!!

Tim

Low Wall after the last cleaning at about 45 rounds I fired two fouling shots and a 5 shot group at 50 yards which measured 5/16.

Then I fired the 100yrd group above. I toke a picture of the 50 yard group too but it did not turn out.

I think the breaking in and cleaning after every 15 rounds did realy help. You could tell that the rifle picked up on accuacy after each cleaning. Used Eliminator and J-B paste.

Will try differtent ammo and see if I can get rid of the vertical stringing. Velocity variation will do it. Varmint Al was talking about it too.

The rifle has a 1-9" twist and copper fouling needs to be watched lest accuracy goes to pots.

Keep in touch.

No Tim it is not wind, because I was using two wind flags to read the wind. If it was the wind I would have been able to shrink that group in half or less, me thinks.

Its a good trick but it is still a 3/4" group. Huh? The target is a 100yrd official HBR IBS target, which has 6 bulls on it. You are not allowded to shoot them side ways or upside down.

Do I have all the bases covered???? I never thought you could be that sneaky. I love you my friend.

You too Fred, I wouldn't have done it to just anyone!!

Tim