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Has anyone seen where these things are available, or know the price?

I saw, in the SHOOTER'S UPDATE in September issue of SHOOTING TIMES the 80% size, sharps rifle, with some unusual chamberings! The chamberings available, are evidently, .218BEE,.22 HORNET,.30-30 Win, 357 Mag, 38-55 Win, 44-40 Win, and .45 Colt. It has a 26" Octegon barrel, and features an American walnut stock, has a blade front sight, and is drilled & tapped for scope mounts, and the action is color case hardened.

I went to the Charles Daly web-site, and found no mention of this rifle. If the price is right, I want one chambered for 30-30 Win. Confused


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The "Little Sharps" was made by someone in the US and they were exhorbinately expensive. They were then bought out by Dakota. And now they are Charles Daly? That last bit is news to me.

Why anyone would want a "Little Sharps" is beyond me. If you want a decent singleshot in .30-30 a Highwall would seem more reasonable. A "little Sharps" in .30-30 is like 39" mudders on a Ferrari, but I guess it takes all types.

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Champlin Arms has one of those little Sharps Dakotas in stock, however it is a 218 Bee. I handled it a couple of days ago and it is neat.

Take a look at on their web site.

In 30-30 it would be a fun pig gun for sure.

Browning made some low walls in 45 Colt and I think in 44 Mag also. They were very petite and handled very well, they too would make a great pig/fun gun.

Inside 125 yards I actually prefer the 44 Mag to the 30-30.


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awe mack - you don't really want one of them - they only have 1 barrel Big Grin sofa
 
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mac was going to buy a pair of them !!

then he wouldn't be a barrel short/


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from the original mfgrs they were over $3000.00

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The original maker's web site is still up. There's no mention they'd given up the business. An Italian maker, Armi Chiappa, is now making these, and they have a page on their web site mentioning it and the arrangement with Charles Daly as the US importer. I do not know if the original makers have stopped production, or if they continue to make a higher quality version, with options on barrel contour, chamberings, etc.

I think it's a fine idea. The standard Sharps is far too bulky for light recoiling cartridges of the .38-55 family. This Little Sharps gives you a chance to have a side hammer falling block in a rifle better suited for this popular family of cartridges. I'm thinking about getting one myself.
 
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Why anyone would want a "Little Sharps" is beyond me. If you want a decent singleshot in .30-30 a Highwall would seem more reasonable. A "little Sharps" in .30-30 is like 39" mudders on a Ferrari, but I guess it takes all types.

Brent


Though I can't think why, some people actually LIKE Ferraris, and some would rather have something that can use those 39" mudders! I guess it does take all types! moon



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Champlin Arms has one of those little Sharps Dakotas in stock, however it is a 218 Bee. I handled it a couple of days ago and it is neat.

Take a look at on their web site.

In 30-30 it would be a fun pig gun for sure.

Browning made some low walls in 45 Colt and I think in 44 Mag also. They were very petite and handled very well, they too would make a great pig/fun gun.

Inside 125 yards I actually prefer the 44 Mag to the 30-30.


I think the Charles Daly is an Italian reproduction in miniature, only 80% of the size of a real Sharps, And it doesn't come in 44 mag. I don't think Dakota had anything to do with this one at all! If so, then it will be far too expensive for just a toy! Roll Eyes

The reason I want one is, because it is a miniature, of the big Sharps, and the 30-30 makes it a great little woods rifle, for whitetail, and pig hunting! I had a high wall a few years ago with a Douglas star guage barrel, 1 in 10 twist,chambered for 30-30, that would print 1.5" groups all day long @ 150 yds, with my handloads, useing 150 gr Hornady spitzers, from the sand bags, with a 2-7 Redfield scope. However, to build that rifle today would cost in the area of $3000 USD, and I ain't that interested in it! Hell $3000 USD will buy a roundtrip Business class ticket to Africa, and back! I sure as hell ain't gonna spend that kind of money on a single shot toy! beer


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The original maker's web site is still up. There's no mention they'd given up the business. An Italian maker, Armi Chiappa, is now making these, and they have a page on their web site mentioning it and the arrangement with Charles Daly as the US importer. I do not know if the original makers have stopped production, or if they continue to make a higher quality version, with options on barrel contour, chamberings, etc.

I think it's a fine idea. The standard Sharps is far too bulky for light recoiling cartridges of the .38-55 family. This Little Sharps gives you a chance to have a side hammer falling block in a rifle better suited for this popular family of cartridges. I'm thinking about getting one myself.


Thanks for the info asdf, the idea, for me, is simply a toy to play with, and a good single shot for my grand kids to shoot on whitetail, and pigs here in Texas!


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The ones Dakota is selling are NOT MADE IN ITALY! My hunting buddy has one in .38/55, and it is superb!! They are NOT INEXPENSIVE! Pricing is in line with anything you can get from Dakota.

http://dakotaarms.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?store=&sear..._id=&exact_match=yes


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I just went to the Dakota Arms site, and I see they--as do Armi Chiappa--claim to have developed theirs with assistance from the original makers of the Little Sharps. I do wonder what the story is. I sent an e-mail to the original makers. I'll let you know if there is a reply. The price on the Dakotas is quite high, and Dakota's reputation for customer assistance isn't exactly sterling.
 
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I just went to the Dakota Arms site, and I see they--as do Armi Chiappa--claim to have developed theirs with assistance from the original makers of the Little Sharps. I do wonder what the story is. I sent an e-mail to the original makers. I'll let you know if there is a reply. The price on the Dakotas is quite high, and Dakota's reputation for customer assistance isn't exactly sterling.


Yeah! Interesting, ain't it??

http://www.littlesharps.com/pages/details.html

I note that the copyright date on their web site is 1999, so this has been ongoing for some time!!??!!


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one of those would be my ultimate varmint rifle with a pistol grip and DST's in 25-35 Improved. I had a Borchardt and let AR member Pfeifer swap me out if it. Anybody know anything about new prices? The original numbers were nearly $4K for a pistol gripped DST version. A little rich for a "toy".

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Brent,
I have actually seen a Lamborghini off road vehicle and it was a factory job too and they actually made more than one.


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I have actually seen a Lamborghini off road vehicle and it was a factory job too and they actually made more than one.


Ah well...

I trust you got my point.

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Good news: I just spoke with Aaron Pursley, one of the founders of the original Little Sharps, and they are still very much in business. Charles Daly will be importing Italian replicas of the original Little Sharps, and the original company will receive a royalty on each such rifle.

The original company will continue to make custom rifles, with your choice of pull, barrel contour, chambering etc. Chamberings include any cartridge sharing the head size of the .38-55 (or smaller) including those at the operating pressure of the .225 Win.

While he didn't offer an explanation, he indicated the Dakota replicas are, well, another matter. I'll note that a google search finds at least one document showing legal wrangling between the two companies.
 
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While he didn't offer an explanation, he indicated the Dakota replicas are, well, another matter. I'll note that a google search finds at least one document showing legal wrangling between the two companies.


Looks like "Little Sharps" sued Dakota, but brought their action in the WRONG COURT, because Dakota's tort was not committed in Montana (probably in South Dakota).


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Why anyone would want a "Little Sharps" is beyond me. If you want a decent singleshot in .30-30 a Highwall would seem more reasonable. A "little Sharps" in .30-30 is like 39" mudders on a Ferrari, but I guess it takes all types.

Brent


Though I can't think why, some people actually LIKE Ferraris, and some would rather have something that can use those 39" mudders! I guess it does take all types! moon



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Champlin Arms has one of those little Sharps Dakotas in stock, however it is a 218 Bee. I handled it a couple of days ago and it is neat.

Take a look at on their web site.

In 30-30 it would be a fun pig gun for sure.

Browning made some low walls in 45 Colt and I think in 44 Mag also. They were very petite and handled very well, they too would make a great pig/fun gun.

Inside 125 yards I actually prefer the 44 Mag to the 30-30.


I think the Charles Daly is an Italian reproduction in miniature, only 80% of the size of a real Sharps, And it doesn't come in 44 mag. I don't think Dakota had anything to do with this one at all! If so, then it will be far too expensive for just a toy! Roll Eyes

The reason I want one is, because it is a miniature, of the big Sharps, and the 30-30 makes it a great little woods rifle, for whitetail, and pig hunting! I had a high wall a few years ago with a Douglas star guage barrel, 1 in 10 twist,chambered for 30-30, that would print 1.5" groups all day long @ 150 yds, with my handloads, useing 150 gr Hornady spitzers, from the sand bags, with a 2-7 Redfield scope. However, to build that rifle today would cost in the area of $3000 USD, and I ain't that interested in it! Hell $3000 USD will buy a roundtrip Business class ticket to Africa, and back! I sure as hell ain't gonna spend that kind of money on a single shot toy! beer


I would think a smaller framed .30-30 would be super fun. Hell, 95% of the game animals I've taken have been with the .30-30.




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