Wow,Thats a Humdinger!!!!!!

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Originally posted by J.D.Steele:
While I WILL admit that many of these oh-so-admiring posts from sycophantic viewers remind me of a circle-jerk, nevertheless some of us are interested in seeing the subjects.

I'm happy to say that most of the Tennesseeans I've known have been much classier than you. But then there are 3 completely different parts of that state and I don't know where, precisely, you're located.....

Joe

I might well be one of the sycophantic viewers who made anoh-so-admiring post that reminded you of a circle -jerk. (not sure what one of those is, but never mine)and I don't mind admitting it. That rifle is a darn fine piece of top notch British craftsmanship, and should be admired and coveted by any right minded hunter. Some people hanker for the feel of plastic and camo paint on their weaponry. I certainly not one of them. Just wish I had $150 at hand to be spent on one in .257Roberts

Never having had the pleasure of a trip to Tennessee could you explain your 3 parts of the state remark?

Thanks

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Grenadier,

this is a first for me, and I have handled quite a few very nice rifles, single and double barreled over the past five decades.

This is the very first single shot rifle I have ever seen that I might have sold a kidney to fund.
Absolutely gorgeous in every facet; caliber, wood, metalwork, engraving and color casehardening, perfect in every way. I am truly envious, but inordinately pleased to see someone who can afford this craftsmanship choose to commission it.

Rich
DRSS

regarding the "Poor White Trash" and his whine: he is an embarrassment to the forum and the state he resides in.

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Originally posted by Tophand:
[I'm happy to say that most of the Tennesseeans I've known have been much classier than you. But then there are 3 completely different parts of that state and I don't know where, precisely, you're located.....

Joe

I might well be one of the sycophantic viewers who made anoh-so-admiring post that reminded you of a circle -jerk. (not sure what one of those is, but never mine)and I don't mind admitting it. That rifle is a darn fine piece of top notch British craftsmanship, and should be admired and coveted by any right minded hunter. Some people hanker for the feel of plastic and camo paint on their weaponry. I certainly not one of them. Just wish I had $150 at hand to be spent on one in .257Roberts

Never having had the pleasure of a trip to Tennessee could you explain your 3 parts of the state remark?

Thanks

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Top, I like the rifle, AAMOF I like it a LOT!

The 3 parts are East, Middle and West Tennessee. Each part scorns the other 2 for being either too rich or too poor, depending, and each part has its own distinct persona & mores. My Mother's family is from Middle Tennessee and so when growing up I got to hear all the stories and comparisons. If you listen to some folks, you'd think that the folks from Other Parts of Tennessee had horns & tails.....the perceived differences provide much ammunition for a spirited discussion(G).
Regards, Joe

you actually bought a brand spanking new H&H.
wow...i've never thought i hear about someone who did.

the more expensive a gun is, the more reluctant the owner is to tell the price.
congratulations, i take it that you must like the rifle very much.

Regarding Fourbore’s question: For what it is worth, H&H service is not uniformly good. The only time I visited one of their stores it was uniformly so bad my wife and I have joked about it for years.

Hands down, the rudest place we visited in Paris was their atelier on Rue Victor Hugo. We were dumbfounded by the salespeople when she accompanied me to buy a continental double. A well-coiffed woman on the upper level gave every person walking in the door a once over and a moue of distaste that was pure maitre d' from "Ferris Bueller's Day Off."

Obviously, the only people she had the time of day for were of an infinitely better cut than all the people actually in the store trying to buy something. Same thing in the gunroom--the sole employee on the floor was eating lunch and refused to pay attention to anything or anyone save what he was putting down his gateau-hole.

We watched other people mill around not quite understanding why nobody would talk to them. We saw the hideous clothing. And we were out of there in no more than ten minutes, no gun in hand. I've wondered since then if anybody actually ever bought anything from the Paris store before it closed. The men's bloodshot-red safari jackets with Nehru collars and ".375" on the epaulets still make me shudder. Did they come with matching pants? Did the pants zip in the back? Were they for a Cecil Rhodes theme party at Sir Elton's?

Holland and Holland certainly makes wonderful guns and I admire Grenadier’s greatly, but it would be hard to forget that experience and buy something from them. Unless perhaps I can order a rifle in Abe Froman’s name and have the words, "The Sausage King of Chicago," engraved on the action.

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Originally posted by MichiganShooter:
We saw the hideous clothing.... The men's bloodshot-red safari jackets with Nehru collars and ".375" on the epaulets still make me shudder. Did they come with matching pants? Did the pants zip in the back? Were they for a Cecil Rhodes theme party at Sir Elton's?

I bought a gun from their Paris showroom but I never visited the place in person. However, I remember looking at their apparel catalog a couple of years ago and wondering just what sort of lifestyle they were promoting. It had me thinking "Austin Powers" at the time.

Last year's catalog was quite a welcome contrast. They've gone back to stylish but traditional offerings.

Who knows, maybe some day a Cecil Rhodes/Elton John safari jacket will be quite a collectible.

Of all the talk about the beautyful rifle, no mention is made of the action. Is this an H&H action since it looks like some other brand name action.

Can anybody give me some details about the action. Thank You. Fred M.

It's a Hagn action.

http://www.martiniandhagngunmakers.com/ourhistory.htm

My friend, that is a work of art, that all but one or two guys here would love to own/shoot!

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Akshooter
one of us

Posted 27 May 2010 07:01 Hide Post
It's a Hagn action.

Thanks Akshooter, that is what I thought it was. So it is not realy an H&H rifle. A few good stock makers in the US can do stocks just as good, and so can engravers. H&H in this instance is only a decorator blasting their name on the action which they did not make.

Originally posted by ZERMEL

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So it is not realy an H&H rifle.

I guess you could say this is not an H&H but I would'nt agree with that.
I would in fact say it is very much an H&H. The photo's show the gun being put together in a shop I trust is H&H.
First you have to understand the British gunmaking industrie, They have out sourced work for centurys.
Also by useing an action that they don't produce themselves still dos'nt take away from the integrity of the overall rifle. Bare in mind all of the guns made by the US guild makers. Very few make there own action. Marten Hagn would be one of only a couple exceptions to that.
I don't think that anyone would say that a rifle made by any of the great guild members here in the US arn't really made by those guys because the pertcular rifle had an M70 or Mauser action.
Think of all the British magazine rifles built on Mauser actions. I have a Westley Richards built on a commercial FN action is it not really a WR?
In most cases the only guns actully 100% made in house by the top British gunmakers are the sidelock doubles.
In the ventage years most of the boxlock british doubles were built by W.C. Scott, so in this case I would say that the H&H built in house on the Hagn action is more of an H&H than the W.C. Scott shotgun I recently sold with the Holland & Holland name on it. ( Holland & Holland dose now own W.C.Scott)

"not really an H&H"

"I can afford to buy it . . . a fool and his money . . . "



It may be spring, but the nuts are falling from the trees.

Pathetic.

And a distinct lack of class, with plenty of envy and sour grapes thrown in for good measure. I'm ashamed that one of these idiots seems to be from Tennessee.
Regards, Joe

The engraving, including the maker's name, was by my request. I wanted the rifle built in the old style. It is a copy of the engraving and markings they used on many single shots made many years ago.

For over 100 years nearly every British gun maker has been building bolt action and single shot rifles using actions made out of house. Holland & Holland is actually an exception here in that they made their own single shot actions for a number of years. But those actions, and all the actions from 100 years ago, cannot match the strength and ruggedness of a good modern action. The Hagn is probably the best single shot action ever made and I can think of no better action for ANY gunmaker to use as the basis for a single shot rifle.

The finest US gun makers have been outsourcing actions for almost as long, building rifles on Mauser, P14 and M1917 Enfield, Springfield, and Model 70 actions.

By the way, even Martin Hagn himself has his actions made for him by another company in a different country.

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Originally posted by Vol717:
The truth must sting a bit. It usually is the nouveau riche who try to buy themselves a bit of gravitas with conspicuous consumption. Who else would pay an exorbitant price for a gun that is now probably worth half of its original price?

Apparently you have never bought a new car, for instance? Or a new refrigerator? Is your wristwatch a Timex?

How about an engagement ring? Boy, now THERE'S an example of Conspicuous Consumption if there ever WAS one! For you and your mindset, anyway.....

Your argument is as flawed as your character.
Grow up, Joe