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Other then caliber and barrel length, how is my #1 Medium Sporter in .45-70 different from a Tropical Rifle? I ask because I am considering using my rifle for a bigger bore build but have read that Tropical Rifles are preferred by many gunsmiths and I don't know why. I have always read the actions are the same, what are the other differences?
 
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The Tropical wears a much heavier barrel than the Sporter.
 
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Does the size of the original barrel effect the size allowable for a rebarrel? Why do gunsmiths seem to prefer the Tropical for big bore rebarrels?
 
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In a Ruger #1 platform being converted to a big bore caliber rebarrel...trust me, you want a fat barrel. To get that fat barrel platform easiest, you just buy a tropical rifle since it is already set-up for the larger diameter barrel. I doubt you will want a thin light barrel big bore in the #1 platform....unless of course you like getting beat to death.
 
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All Ruger # 1 actions are the same, a 22 Hornet action is no different than a 458 Mag action, other than the extractor / ejector. The barrel threads are all the same, 16 X 1. So it makes no difference what you make it into, of course the forearm channel is different because of the bigger or smaller barrel but that's no big deal, if a gunsmith is capable of re-barreling and fiting a barrel to a # 1 he should be capable of opening up the forearm, if not stay away from him.
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The fore end barrel channel is larger on the Tropical Rifle. The 45-70 barrel is so skinny that you would wind up with a very light rifle or your would have the expense of replacing the fore end.
 
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Guess I didn't make myself clear. Just because the 45-70 barrel is skinny does not mean that you will end up with a light rifle, or that you have to go to the expense of replacing the forearm. You can put up to a 1.200 inch straight non taper barrel on any # 1 action, that is a very heavy barrel, with a barrel like that a gun with a 24 inch barrel will weigh somewhere around 14 or 15 pounds. For me and I'm betting for a lot of other guys that's way to heavy for a carry rifle so you would want some taper to the barrel to lighten it up to where it's to your likening.

There's no reason to replace the forearm, it's only wood, just have your gunsmith open up the channel to accommodate the larger barrel.
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I had a .45/70 that (after first rechambering to .45/90) was rechambered to .450 N.E. I shot it some and was very impressed with the recoil since I had not replaced the little and hard Ruger red thing. I sold it to a member here who enjoyed it, I believe, until the stock cracked.

If he and I had to do it all over again, we would have started with the Tropical and been happier with the original .458 Win Mag. and just left it alone, except, maybe for a new recoil pad.

That said, I'm awaiting a .416 Rigby in a Tropical. I'm sure the recoil will be more than a good push, but at least this one is heavier and already has an adequete pad.


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I have a 416 Rigby Ruger NO. 1 Tropical..
Recoil is brisk with a 400gr.loading.
After a few shots, I removed the original recoil pad that is more like a butt plate. LOL
A Pachmayr Decellerator pad cured the nasty recoil.


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Guess I didn't make myself clear. Just because the 45-70 barrel is skinny does not mean that you will end up with a light rifle, or that you have to go to the expense of replacing the forearm. You can put up to a 1.200 inch straight non taper barrel on any # 1 action, that is a very heavy barrel, with a barrel like that a gun with a 24 inch barrel will weigh somewhere around 14 or 15 pounds. For me and I'm betting for a lot of other guys that's way to heavy for a carry rifle so you would want some taper to the barrel to lighten it up to where it's to your likening.

There's no reason to replace the forearm, it's only wood, just have your gunsmith open up the channel to accommodate the larger barrel.
Ruger # 1 Guy.


The margin along the barrel profile is narrow on #1 forends. A 45-70 forend inletted for a fat barrel would have a sharp edge that would not reach half way up the curve of the barrel.
Go look at one. I know because I have considered rebarreling mine. It would be better to swap it for a Tropical rifle and rebarrel if a heavy barrel is wanted just because of the "it's only wood" complication.
 
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SR 4759,
I see what your saying now, and I agree if using one of the "skinny" forearms the margin is narrow. I've done many of them but have always used the standard "B" type beavertail forearm, there's usually plenty of wood on each side of the barrel so that it can be opened up for a fat barrel and still look good.
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I also have a Ruger # 1 tropical chambered in .416 Rigby. With the crappy stock red recoil pad & 400 grainers it was painful to say the least. With a Limbsaver recoil pad and a 16 oz. mercury recoil suppressor in the butt stock it's much better, but you still know you're firing a big bore.
 
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