Considering 30/40 Krag, 307 Win...anyone know if 405 Win cases can be necked to 30--it would be like a rimmed 30-06..30 Jameson? Not allergic to wildcats. Input appreciated!

Check EABCO.COM Eben Brown offers his version of what you describe in BR mag. A heavy bullet, moderate velocity cartrige based on the donaldson wasp. I'm intrigued with the 6.5,7mm brm and might consider the 30cal version as well.He builds them in several configurations including Ruger #1.I may very well order the 6.5 or 7mmBRmag Encore barrel(shilen).I have done some business with him and recommend a visit to his site.
Jim...

Ac... I have one comming back in 30-30! I know... you probably think its boring. The 30-40 krag would be a great choice or any 45-70 based 30 caliber wildcat. Another is a 30x74RKieth, which is based on the 9.3X74R this is in the 300 mag + range in terms of power. To me, the 30-30 is ideal, and I really want to try some pointed bullets, esp. light ones on varmits

I have 2 R#1 actions left and am deciding myself what next.

Is this a rebarrel or just rechamber. If the latter, what's the factory chamber?
What's your intentions with the gun?
I'd vote for 30 Magnum Flanged, with a 28" bbl and plenty of throat for those 210 SMK's.

ACRecurve

How about 7,63X53R/7,62X54R( easy to find and lots of brass from Lapua and others) or a 30 R Blaser


300 flanged is nice classic but rare ammo and costly.

Cheers
/ JOHAN

I don't know anything about the .30R Blaser. It might be your answer. But I have a Ruger No. 3 in .30/40. In this action, you can beat factory .30/'06 ballistics with not too much trouble, with a lot less powder too. I have one VERY ACCURATE 200-grain Nosler Partition load that is very close to 2700 FPS MV using IMR 4350. And this is from a 22" barrel....... I believe there was a small run of No.1A's in .30/40. That would be one great rifle!

Thanks for all the input! This rifle is starting from a Ruger 1 action. I'm thinking 27" LW barrel w/ banded swivel stud and no open sights. Will color case harden action after a small amount of engraving. I have a beautiful stock set of Washington state english walnut for it that will be classically styled (except for the continental cheekpiece)and will probably have a skeleton gripcap and buttplate. Scope will be Leupy 2x7 and Warne rings. Intend to use the rifle mostly for stillhunting deer and hogs at 200 yards or less. Intend to use mostly 165 grainers but will also have a load for the 200's. I'm leaning toward the Krag or the AI Krag--2600 fps is plenty for deer with the 165's and 2400+ fps will do nicely for the 200's. This will be a rather fancy rifle to look at but will be hunted like any other. What's the rundown on the 30 Blaser? My original thought was a 375 flanged H&H mag, then the 30 flanged. I couldn't find enough components to make that one worth my time! The 30-74mm would be in that power range and would be rather simple once dies were procured. Keep feedback coming, please. Thanks!

In a strong action like the P14 Enfield,. Ackley was able to get .300 H&H performance out of the improved .30/40, and I believe Epps in Canada got similar results from the P14 in .303 Improved. No doubt, in a No. 1, a .30/40 Improved could do as well. But as you say, .300 H&H perfgormance is not necessary for shooting deer and hogs out to 200 yards or so. The only deer I ever shot with the standard .30/40 only went about ten paces after being shot. And that was with a 150-grain bullet.

I've got a #3 in 30-40 that's wearing a #1 stock. You can't beat it for deer with 170gr 30-30 bullets!

For what you want, I would go with the .307 Winchester. If rare is what you want, just wait a few more years and then the .307 will be.

.30 R Blaser would be an excellent choice.

Carcano

The Ruger #1 does not require a rimmed cartridge. I suppose you know that and just want one.

For such a rifle the 30-06 is a nice trouble free cartridge. It has a long neck too if you want to try cast bullets.

Pure class, and no slouch ballistically. Hard to find brass, though.


Just my two cents worth...
-Bob F.

Bob,



Holland's Super 30 (flanged) was my first choice. If I could find a couple hundred rounds of new brass and some dies, then I'd spring for the reamer, too! But I don't want to either pay "double rifle" component prices or wind up with a rifle for which I can't find brass. Then I changed to the 375 flanged (2.85") but decided I didn't want another 375. If you know of a source for the brass, then I bet I could get Redding or CH to make a set of 30 H&H flanged dies!



Savage99--yeah, I know it doesn't require a rimmed cartridge. I just think it oughta have one. The 30-'06 is one of my favorite cartridges--if I could find a rimmed version, then the choice would be made!

Well, MidwayUSA has brass for the Super 30 Flanged. Look for "30 Super Flanged" brass on their web ste. ( www.midwayusa.com ) It's expensive though. It's made by Bertram. I've never used Bertram brass myself. I have read posts on here (A/R) about Bertram brass quality. Some say pretty good; some others say not-so-good.

I haven't looked up the exact cartridge dimension specs, but I wonder if .300 H&H Belted Mag dies could be used for the .300 H&H Flanged? Anyone else know for sure?

-Bob F.

Bob,

I probably woudn't want to use Bertram brass because of the price and it's reported quality. Ed is going to trim a 9.3x74 case to 2.5" and form it hydraulically in a 30-06 die. I may have found my rimmed '06. I could also use BELL 375 H&H flanged brass necked down to 30 cal...this is getting interesting but the 30/40 Krag is still out front.

Nothing wrong with the .30-40 Krag!!! It doesn't have quite the elegance, at least for me, of the .300 H&H Flanged but it's a grand ol' cartridge. Much easier to get brass for, too.

The .30-40 Krag and the .303 British were and still are two very reliable cartridges. (At least from what I've read. I haven't owned or shot either one.) A 215gr (.303) or 220gr (.30-40) bullet at around 2000-2100 fps has taken a lot of game over the years. Of course, you could use lighter weight bullets.

Ross Seyfried had an article in Rifle magazine a few years ago (issue #188; Mar-Apr 2000 issue) about the .303 British and the .30-40 Krag. You'd enjoy the article if you can find a copy or order a back issue from Wolfe Publishing. He had a gorgeous single shot in .303 but I can't remember the make right now. It was an original British falling block.

I don't think you can wrong using the .30-40 Krag. Keep us posted on your project. It sounds very interesting.

-Bob F.

I've got a #1 in .338x74Keith. It's a 9.3x74R necked down to .338 & blown out, kind of an improved cart. It's in the .338Winmag arena, I like the round alot. It would be simple to neck down to .308 & you would be very close to the .300 rimmed w/ cheaper, readily available brass. I can send you some fired cases if you PM me an address.

My Ruger #1 .223 functions flawlessly with no rim.
But you can go to higher pressures without an extractor groove.

I would consider:

1} .308 Palma reamer and cut the rim relief with lathe tool, .307 brass
2) 7.62x54R

When I consider calibers, I want to be able to get Winchester brass and Forster dies, so that limits me to ~60 calibers.

Hello ACRecurve,

My very old fashioned suggestion would be something a little bigger than a .30 cal - the good old .303 British. It works really well and is a round with a wealth of history, though I have no idea how popular it is in the US.

Whatever you decide on, please post pictures on AR when your rifle is completed.

Good hunting!

When discussing cartridge cases, the only significant difference between the .30/40 Krag and the .303 British is the length of the neck. Of course, the .303 uses .311" bullets, but in a custom rifle, you could use .303 cases sized to hold .308" bullets. For the ballistic levels you listed above, there is no reason NOT to use the .30/40 case! 2700 FPS with 165-grain bullets is easily attainable in a Ruger No. 1 .30/40, and so is 2400 with a 200 grainer! I have some old, hot Bob Hagel loading data for the Ruger No. 3 in .30/40 using WW760 powder, and he shows a velocity of over 2400 FPS with a 220 grain bullet!

If you realy want a standard 30 cal rimmed case with the power of a 30-06 AI plus or 300H&H and available factory ammo. Go for the 30 Blaser made by RWS for the Blaser break open single shot 95. Case length 2.673, Base .476, Rim .525, Shoulder .444, Neck lenght appr.270 . Shoulder angle looks like about 30 degs. Fred M.

Any thoughts toward a .309 JDJ? Easy to find .444 Marlin brass is the parent case. Should give velocities in the .30-06 area maybe a little higher. The Hornady manual even lists loads for it. Dies can be had without a custom set being made.



I have a Contender in .309 and it shoots great.....Bob

Get a .303 Brit! Cherry pick the bbl to ensure that it shoots the heavier 215 grain bullets well.

JohnTheGreek

I vote for the 30R Blaser (7,62x68R). Its a rimmed .30 very close to the 300 Win.
I have it in my U/O rifle/shotgun and it works very well.
You can get factory ammo with various bullets.

Burkhard