A friend is trying to figure out who made this SxS shotgun. Very few markings, just the word "Tournament" on each side and the serial number 9465.



In front of the breech it is marked "PAT. MAY 23-93 AND PATENTS PEND'G"

No other markings on the barrels or elsewhere. Any help is greatly appreciated.

My guess is it is one of the spanish makers. There are alot that are unmarked. Some are very nice , and some are roughly made. Could be any number of spanish makers.

Or it could be something else









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The "patent pending " throughs me off though... It could be american. Lefever???



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Post back and let me know what you found out.



It is probably a piece of crap so I will give you $50.00 for it

Thanks rick

According to my Carders " a Tobin style shotgun manufactured by G.B. Crandall".

Tobins were nice quality guns that were built on pat.# 498,043, issued to Clarence M. Wollam of San Francisco on May 23, 1893. They were built in CT until 1909 when they bought by investors in Ontario, They continued to be built under the Tobin name until 1921 when they bought out by GB Crandall, a sporting goods distributor who made them up until 1951.

Rob

Kurt,

If it doesn't turn out to be as the previous poster indicated, I would guess Belgian. Not that it means much as I am certainly no shotgun expert, but casual observation on my part shows most of the sidelocks come from Belgium, and a lot of boxlocks from Spain. And in the early part of the 20th century, a lot of American makers contracted production to Belgian arms makers.

Todd

We appreciate all the input. I know very little about shotguns. The fact that there are no proof marks, patent numbers or even a Patent country, makes things worse.

Someone once put a lot of work into it, with the engraving and case colors. Unfortunately, it has been damaged by water in a house fire, and a friend needs to decide if it is worth restoring.

KurtC,
I am somewhat amazed. You are undoubtedly what I consider a veritable storehouse of information on older and newer firearms. For you to be stumped on a gun of any kind is some accomplishment and I am not saying that lightly. I always enjoy your answers on obscure questions relative to vintage firearms.

I should have reprinted the entire listing from my book.Just so there's no doubt it states.



"TOURNAMENT: The name is stamped on the left sideplate with no other identifying marks. This is aTobin style shotgun manufactured by G.B. Crandall".



The rest of the info comes from the listing for TOBIN. I'm sure this is your gun. If you'll notice, the patent date is the same.



Rob