The mauser action is the best designed bolt action rifle ever. The 1903 springfield was the first mauser 98 knock off. The next in line is the P-14/1917 springfield. Ruger has emulated them. Winchester did too until the bean counters screwed it up in 1964. Since then they have tried to correct the mistake. Now remington has decided to go back to a crf action. They won't actually make them. There have been hundreds of rifles inspired by mauser action. Then there are the rifles inspired by the model 700!....................huh, I can't think of any. DANG!

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Originally posted by OddBall2:
The mauser action is the best designed bolt action rifle ever. The 1903 springfield was the first mauser 98 knock off. The next in line is the P-14/1917 springfield. Ruger has emulated them. Winchester did too until the bean counters screwed it up in 1964. Since then they have tried to correct the mistake. Now remington has decided to go back to a crf action. They won't actually make them. There have been hundreds of rifles inspired by mauser action. Then there are the rifles inspired by the model 700!....................huh, I can't think of any. DANG!

If you want to get technical the Winchester M70 is a direct decendant of the Springfield '03
while the Remingtons are more decendants of the Eddystone Enfields.

And the only thing different between the pushfeed Win M70's and the Remington Model 700's
is that Remington went pushfeed first

ever compare a Remington model 30 to a P17?

All of the two lug front locking rifles we have today are the result's of an evoloutionary process, except the original progenitor, the Mauser is still with us while it's children and grandchildren have gone.... leaving only the great grandchildren and one ressurected grandchild, th Winchester M70-Classic, still on the playing field.

Engineers can't resist tinkering with things
but I think past the 03 springfield they tinkered a change or two too far.

I don't agree that the mauser is best unless you qualify the definition of best regarding
"best at what"?
And I say that mainly as "bait" because any statement can be argued...

Yeah, I wish remington would ressurect one of their older bolt designs because it would shut up many of the loudmouthed Remington critics, but sadly not the most vitrolic of them.

What I really wish for is a modern produced M1903 springfield in stainless steel...

But who here would insist on a three position Winchester M70 safety?

Mausers are predictable, but Best?

Asbestos suite zipped up tight


AllanD

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Then there are the rifles inspired by the model 700!....................huh, I can't think of any. DANG!

Damb that was funny!

Rusty (with thee mausers and two knockoffs and no 700's) Marlin

I'm still gigglin'

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Originally posted by poulsbo:
Posted 26 February 2006 09:44
has anyone seen one or handled one? is it possible they could duplicate the great 98? what about bulding a 416 rem on this action?

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Originally posted by poulsbo:
Posted 28 February 2006 05:18
all remington is going to do is give themselves a bad name selling a rifle with a piss poor design like the mauser.

One minute you refer to the 98 as "great", and two days later you refer to the Mauser as a piss poor design... Which is it?

I was going to try to address this for you, but I don't know which one of you to address...

Anyway, if these are indeed the same actions as the 6 Zastava Interarms Mk X actions I have sitting behind me on the shelf, then regardless of the name they sport, Whitworth, Interarms, Charles Daly, Remington, they can be an excellent action for the 416 Remington. I have built a lot of heavy use rifles over the years on Zastava actions, mostly in 375 H&H Ackley and the 450 Ackley's, and have never had a single problem with any of them. In fact, I built a couple of these rifles in 338/378 KT that are still knocking Elk off their feet some 20+ years later. So, if you don't have any particular objection to the name "Remington", or the Mauser design, then these should work just fine for what you want.

Among the early employees of the Remington Arms company was a man by the name of Paul Mauser.
Look it up...don't just take my word for it.....

That said one can argue that the Mauser is actually a decendant of the Remington.
Now lets see how we can twist that one.....spin away.

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Originally posted by poulsbo:
i'd rather DIE trying to cycle my model 700 upsidedown than shoot a mauser! they are very inaccrate as a rule.

All my CRF Mausers shoot MOA or better. None are bigger than 300 WBY but are accurate or they go to the gun orphanage. Warren Page once said "Only accurate guns are fun to shoot". I have a closet full of fun crf guns, some shoot under .500 inch. CRF Mausers are "very inaccurate" but I would depend on one to save my hyde before a Remmy or for that matter any push feed. Just MHO.

What do you expect for finish from any manufacturer and still buy it at WalMart prices. Bottom line is still a profit of some sort. They're not in it for a hobby. If you want gold order a custom and pay accordingly. You get what you pay for. I beleive Remmy is trying to satisfy a piece of the market that is crying out for CRF and they have the GONADS to try to satisfy this hunger for us. I don't want to see Remmy sharing quarters with Winchester at the soup kitchen.

If remington wants a low cost bolt gun, why not just have the 700 made overseas for about $25, then get a GOOD mauser action for there high end line of rifles and sell them for $1000. The 700 was designed from the get go for low cost manufacturing. The mauser was designed from the get go to be the very best at what it was designed for regardless of manufacturing cost. So, remington wants to sell the mauser as it's low end rifle? In order to do this they have to take a good but expensive to manufacture design and do a piss poor job of building it in order to make there price point. Just don't make any sense to me.

What actions has the 700 inspired? How about the post-64 M-70. If not for the competition from remington, winchester would not have had to cheapen up the 70. Also, how about the hart, hall, and a slew of other custom actions, many of which even advertise that they will fit 700 inletting and take 700 triggers. Mike Walker was tasked with developing a cheap to manufacture bolt action rifle. What he ended up doing was developing a rifle that set the standard for accuracy, strength, and reliability, changed the world of benchrest competition, and drove the competition to completely redesign it's offering. Like the 700 or not, that is quite a legacy. I'd say Remington needs another Mike Walker right about now.

John

Alan, Thanks for the history lesson. I know about the model 30 and chose to ignore it since it's extinct. I didn't know that winchester copied the 03 but the 03 is a copy of the mauser. That's like saying the 6mm remington is a wildcat of the .257 roberts and not the 7x57 mauser.

Now as to best. I will concede that is a matter of opinion. Perhaps I should have used the phrase "favorite". Perhaps NOT! All my high powered rifles are CRF except one. That is an A-bolt in .270 win. It was too good of a deal to pass up. So I let my wife shoot that one.


I would also like to see the grand old 03 action brought back to life. The old style safety would put it in the grave. Why bring the 03 back when there are so many beutiful specimens around to tear apart and rebarell?

Then as far as the model 700 inspired rifles.

Who cares? Except for the model 70 (which winchester has now after 30+ years realized their mistake)I have not heard of any of them and have no intention of exploring them.


Mauser a descendant of remington! B as in B....S as in S! I suppose you are going to tell me that Paul Mauser worked for remington prior to 1898. Next your going to tell me that remington was building mausers for the Kaiser and then hitler too. Mauser designed the model 11 shotgun and the model 8 rifle and sold it to remington. Who is spinning what?

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Originally posted by OddBall2:
Alan, Thanks for the history lesson. I know about the model 30 and chose to ignore it since it's extinct. I didn't know that winchester copied the 03 but the 03 is a copy of the mauser. That's like saying the 6mm remington is a wildcat of the .257 roberts and not the 7x57 mauser.

Now as to best. I will concede that is a matter of opinion. Perhaps I should have used the phrase "favorite". Perhaps NOT! All my high powered rifles are CRF except one. That is an A-bolt in .270 win. It was too good of a deal to pass up. So I let my wife shoot that one.


I would also like to see the grand old 03 action brought back to life. The old style safety would put it in the grave. Why bring the 03 back when there are so many beutiful specimens around to tear apart and rebarell?

Then as far as the model 700 inspired rifles.

Who cares? Except for the model 70 (which winchester has now after 30+ years realized their mistake)I have not heard of any of them and have no intention of exploring them.

One thing that Winchester didn't keep on the M70 was the springfield's "coned breech".
I'm not sure about the Model54 that was the intermediate step between the '03 and the M70

as for Winchester "realizing their mistake"
it was more a matter of trying to grab sucess from the ashes of 30years of sagging sales
where what sales there were was based more on the Winchester name and anti-remington feelings than any actual "quality" or superiority of design.

and it was modern CNC machines that made it practical to reintroduce the "classic" M70.
CNC makes the manufacturing process less labor intensive than it would have been using "old school" machining.

FWIW I have demonstrated to people numerous times that it IS possible to cycle a remington while inverted, and I'll comment that is far easier if you are inverted with it, but I can't easily imagine ever needing to do so except to answer a childish arguement.

I'n not sure I would ressurect the Model30 if I could, as it would be easier to sporterize a P17
(I know where there is one already partially sporterized)

Like I said, what I want is a stainless steel
'03 action.


AllanD

AlanD,

Then take a 1903 action and have Robar treat it with NP3. Looks just exactly like stainless steel, with added benefits and without the draw backs.