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Spencer, I was going to order a new one but if you have one I will come up with something else Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Anyone interested in donating a steel butt plate? | |||
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Bill, I got a London Guns red recoil pad if you're interested... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Let's get the butt plate and grip cap settled. I believe M1 Tanker said he has a case hardened set. I think that would look great. If we must order one, let's decide which. I just recently used Neidner's and wasn't that impressed. I think the picture frame kind that shows the endgrain of the stock can be pretty classy. What does everyone else think? -Spencer | |||
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Buttplate and grip cap basically are already settled. The cap will be a skeleton by Dakota. I already have a recoil pad(via cash dontation) and if no one wants to donate a steel buttplate I will use the pad and do a leather covered pad. Either way works for me folks. | |||
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Update: Once again let me say thank you to everyone who has donated. I guess its time to get the ball rolling here so everyone please send your donated items. Once everything gets here I will take a few photos and post them. My address: 5292 Springdale-Hunters Rd. Springdale, WA 99173 Please DO NOT send anything signature required. For those who are still wanting to donate there are a few optional things remaining. None of these are required but would be a great addition. Sling - Latigo Dakota Steel buttplate (solid) Case accessories Scope lense covers I cant really think of anything else at the moment. We have pretty much thrown the book at this project!!!  | |||
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No one asked my opinion, but I'll give it for free.  While I know they're classic, steel buttplates especially if they're Neidner style make it difficult to shorten or lengthen the stock. Since this gun is not for a specific person, I vote for a recoil pad, preferably thin so adding a thicker one to lengther the LOP will be easy.xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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A pad definitely makes more sense for a "one size fits all" rifle. Another idea is to leave the LOP long and unfinished. The winner could then specify the LOP and pad or plate preference. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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Forest, I think that is a great idea. | |||
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Given that does anybody want the "red" london recoil pad I suggested Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike, As much as I appreciate the offer I already have a recoil pad donated. Thank you for the generous offer. | |||
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Mr. Soverns Just for the heck of it, why don't you tell us a little bit about your plans for the stock. | |||
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22WRF, I would be happy too.....just please stop calling me Mr. Soverns. I hear that and think your talking to my Dad. lmao  The stock will be a classic. Slight drop to strike the middle of the road pose to accomodate the iron sights. Shadow line cheekpeice. Grip will be slightly open with a skeleton grip cap. Ebony forend tip at 90 degrees. The barrel will be 22" so the stock will be fairly small and trim. Checkering will run 26lpi in a fleur de lis pattern. 4 fleurs on the grip and 3 on the forend pattern. Finish will be varnish soaker coats and Ben Matte for the wetsanding and hand rub coats. I will probably bed the recoil lug and rear tang area. | |||
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I like the idea of really fine and curvy checkering. I suggest a longer 24" barrel because if we go with the 7X57, it can get some pretty decent velocities. I also assume the butt plate or pad has been settled as well? Also, can we do a Schnabel tip? -Spencer | |||
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Holy cow that got done quick... Put me down for a box of ammo once you sort the caliber out... E-mail is below... | |||
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A schnabel looks good on a light weight rifle, but you ain't gonna make a light weight out of the montana without doing some serious work on the action. Also the schnabel may turn some people off. I think this needs to have the most appeal to the greatest number of people and the ebony tip will do that. Myself, I'd rather have it checkered in a really well executed point pattern, but I think most people will like the whop de doos. Speaking of schnabels, I did a schnabel in ebony on a little ruger 77 in 6mm rem one time, pretty neat look, wish I still had that rifle. John | |||
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Bill If you are interested in adding a set of dies to the package I will furnish a new set of RCBS dies in the caliber that this ends up being. ****************************** "We do not exaggerate when we state positively that the remodelled Springfield is the best and most suitable "all 'round" rifle".......Seymour Griffin, GRIFFIN & HOWE, Inc. | |||
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Fluer de lis checkering is a deal killer to some people (I'm one of them). If you want to show off your checkering skills put one of Ottmar's open diamonds in a point pattern. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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Geez...every time I try to get in on donting sumptin they beat me to it... So if Spencer of the crazy shopping cart thing doesn't come up with a latigo sling...please PM me Spencer I will...if he does come up with it...then I'll add a box of factory ammo to collins becuase we got to give the shooter at least 2 test... Collins I am going to get Hornady Custom... Man you guys make it tuff to spend money  Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Truth be told I would rather do a point pattern. Im more interested in the mass appeal and what will draw the most interest. Thank you Mike_Dettorre, Collins and Idared. I will gladly accept those donations!  Update: Donations: Montana Short Action - gasgunner 7mm Douglas barrel - 22wrf MetalSmith - Jim Kobe Warne Premier QD Rings - M1Tanker Rust Bluing - Customstox English Walnut Blank - Customstox Dakota 2 screw Swivel bases - Glen71 Dakota Skeleton grip cap - Anonymous Barrel Band sling swivel stud - ElCaballero Scope - Leupold 2.5x8 matte - DPhillips Jeff's Outfitters Leather Rifle Case - Anonymous Ebony Forend wood - Gringo Cazador NECG Iron Sights - ForrestB Lettering Engraving - Scrollcutter Custom Knife w/wood grip - Ropes 2 Boxes of Ammunition - Collins and Mike_Dettore Reloading Dies - Idared 100 rounds of brass - Anonymous Rosewood Handled TurnScrews - Richard and Rebecca Soverns McFarland Steel Buttplate - custom checkered - Anonymous | |||
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Good news guys. I have quite the abundance of Latigo slings. 1 w/o QD Swivels and 4 with. Give me the word as to which one to send. -Spencer | |||
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Wait, I have a bag of Cobra style slings that I got at a liquidation auction. Not to sound cheap, but I would really rather donate some thing I picked up for very little, than a $50 sling. Very nice soft suede with bright white stitching. I can email pics if needed, as I can't seem to get it done on the forums. -Spencer | |||
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ShopCart, Do you have one with lots of padding and a painting of a deer on it (in addition to the bright white stitching? It'll go great with the fluer de lis checkering. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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These slings are nice. About half way down the page. Fields sling in black. Ive had one for a very long time. http://www.championshooters.com/slings.htm Update : Set of 3 Rosewood Turnscrews dontated by Richard & Rebecca Soverns http://www.jeffsoutfitters.com/picture/dga025.JPG | |||
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http://www.uncle-mikes.com/adtemplate.asp?invky=7982959 The one I have is on the left. I also have the pretty painted deer one, made by Hunter. I don't have pictures on my website of it but it looks just like the AA&E 1007. http://www.cliffsgunsmithing.com/Catalog_AAE.htm Like I said, I would prefer to send the Uncle Mike's one. -Spencer | |||
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Gentlemen, Considering these are donations I am NOT going to pick and choose items. ShopCart, your sling is a most welcome donation. Thankyou. | |||
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I can send either, but do you have a preference? The Uncle Mike's is soft and sort of plain. The Hunter is a little more glitzy looking. Which to you think would attract the eye better? -Spencer | |||
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ShopCart - The Uncle Mikes will do just fine. | |||
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Consider it done, do we need sling swivel stuff as well, like studs and loops? -Spencer | |||
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The studs are covered, but we will need swivels to match the sling width. Bill - If the style of the rifle is such that a barrel band sling stud would be preferred, I will donate the funds for it and you can give me one of my bases back. I mailed them out this morning. "There are only three kinds of people; those who can count, and those who can't." | |||
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Glen, Barrel band was donated by another party. I intend to return one of your bases to you. | |||
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I am not speaking for Bill, but I know he feels the same way. I think it is just fantastic how everyone has come together on this. I was talking to Bill one night early on. Well actually not that "early", this has happened so fast. I mentioned that I would talk to Leupold about gettng them to donate a scope and then someone comes out of the woodwork and donates one. We talked about a case and that happened. You guys are incredible. Okay we are NOT GOING TO DO A GROUP HUG. | |||
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Perfect. Then I won't hear any complaints about the box of parts I'm sending your way for use on the charity rifle. One set of Weaver ultra-high look-through scope mounts that came of of my Uncle Leonard's Glenfield 30-30. A 1951 Buffalo nickel and a piece of genuine Louisiana ivory (nutria tooth) that you can inlay into the buttstock. A dozen assorted white-line spacers that you can work into every joint on the stock. Use your imagination to put all of them to good use. A BOSS system that came off of a 243 Browning A-Bolt that had a tough time with a hot 308 handload. We want the charity rifle to be a tack driver. A semi-finished thumbhole stock that I carved myself from a railroad tie. It's patterned after the stock on M1Tanker's favorite rifle. That's it for now, but I've got some other boxes to look through. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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Perhaps a small compass to put in the stock?  | |||
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You may find yourself using that rifle this fall if you arent careful. Or are you still holding out that Chic will scrounge up a Savage 110 for you to use? William Berger True courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway. - John Wayne The courageous may not live forever, but the timid do not live at all. | |||
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Bill, I have 2 styles of bases for the rifle. One set is the normal Premier and the other has a built in peep for back up in the rear base. Let me know which set you would like. You are welcome to both sets if you arent sure which way you are headed with the bases. William Berger True courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway. - John Wayne The courageous may not live forever, but the timid do not live at all. | |||
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I'm impressed with the generousity shown by all on this project. Good going guys! | |||
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Well, Bill wanted it surface ground. I am not sure it needs that; the ones I have seen are pretty fair. I will chamber, fit, headspace, crown and polish it to about 320. Let me know what else is needed. Jim Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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That sounds about right Jim. I agree on the surface grinding, probably not necessary. 320 is fine and then hit it a little bit on the polishing wheel. Hunter crown please, no fancy shmancy target crown. -Spencer | |||
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