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I have three bases coming next week from Al Talbot. Those are milled to nominal model 70 dimensions. Unfortunately my three actions were not made by Winchester to nominal model 70 dimensions . Besides the usual suspects (Mr. Echols, Mr. Penrod and Mr. Burgess), does anyone have a recommendation for a smith who can grind a model 70 receiver on a through bolt bore mandrel? And then recut the receiver threads true? That may be overkill, but I am curious to see what a straight and true receiver actually looks like. Maybe we can start national and regional registries. That would be a lot more useful than those stupid art and building ones. lawndart | ||
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Greg Tannel GTR Tooling Kersey, CO 99% of the democrats give the rest a bad name. "O" = zero NRA life member | |||
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Jim Dubbell or Mark Stratton. "There are only three kinds of people; those who can count, and those who can't." | |||
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Fred Zeglin Casper Wyoming Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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David Christman Delhi, LA 318-878-1395 David can fix you up | |||
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Thanks guys, I'll make some calls next week. After playing around with these actions for a couple years I will hopefully learn something. lawndart | |||
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Lawndart Speak with Chuck Nelson about what Bill Leeper did to his Model 70 Classic. | |||
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Bill did a fabulous job on the Model 70 he built for me no doubt. The NIB rifle that I supplied was apparently the most crooked 70 Bill has ever worked on. The barrel was pointing one direction and, of course, the mount holes another. When I picked up the rifle, we put a brand new VX III 3.5-10 in Talley rings, mounted them on custom bases, and the scope only required a couple of inches of adjustment to fall into zero. Chuck | |||
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Hey Chuck, What we need to do is let Portland, Seattle and Vancouver join together in an axis of liberalism called "The Northwest Peoples Republic of Poofters" and have the rest of British Columbia, Alberta, Washington, Idaho, Oregon and Montana join together in a politically autonomous entity called "The Republic of Farmers, Ranchers, Lumberjacks and Sportsmen". Then I could just mail my actions up to Bill Leeper for a grind & square/rebuild job. Of course, we would have to send raiding parties to Seattle for coffee, Vancouver for Chinese take-out food, and Portland for rain. lawndart | |||
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Al and Dan Warner, at Warner Tool Company is where most highpower rifle shooters send their bolt guns to get done right. They will do hunting rifles too. Just tell them what they want. They are superlative gunsmiths, machinists, and tool builders, plus their rear sight is an unbelievable piece of craftsmanship and engineering. | |||
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Thanks HP, My eyes are getting old enough that I will have to switch from service rifle to match rifle soon. That will be my excuse for buying a Warner rear sight. The only thing more repeatable than Warner sights is my ex-wife's litany of my character defects . lawndart | |||
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Lawndart it is amazing that you and I have such similar difficulties. I too have a crooked mod 70. Can't get enough clicks up also using Talleys. Although cartridge selection is important there is nothing that will substitute for proper first shot placement. Good hunting, "D" | |||
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It has always been that way with factory rifles and a lot of misgound Springfields and Mausers..We used to just shim them up and forget about it...now we fix them right I guess, but the shims worked fine...Just for the record...Buehler still sells shims. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Its the difference between slapping on a bandaid and fixing it right. | |||
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Yup, I have no idea if these actions are square or not. Didn't bother to check. If I start these projects off with an action that has been ground to factory spec, has the seats recut along with the lugs for 100% and balanced lug seating, the front of the receiver perpendicular, the bolt face square with the front of the reiver, and the receiver threads re-cut with a single point tool so they are straight and true; then I have a better chance of being happy with the finished rifle. lawndart | |||
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