David Schnabel

The 1909 Argentine is also nice, with hinged bottom metal; this too is a low carbon, case hardened receiver. Expect to pay ~$150 for one.

Guns shows, BTW, are usually not the place to find bargain Mausers. Go to a bookstore and look in Shotgun News.

Other advice: always try to see the receiver out of the stock if buying in person. I have Brazilian 1908's that look brand new from the top, with pits below the woodline; especially true of South American actions (?humidity).

Good luck,
Todd

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Since you seem to have the "scoop" on Mausers, I'm looking at a CZ98/22 for $90. Intended use: 8mm 06. How's the steel on that model?

CAL

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Originally posted by CAL9 from planet Fargo:
Denton- If I am not mistaken, the 98/22 is what is considered an intermediate length mauser, as opposed to a standard length mauser.

CAL

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Actually the 98/22 is a standard length action.. The 98/22 was the first rifle that the Cesks build after they received the machinery from the Germans as war repayment. The 98/22 is a 98 gew with a tangent rear site. It is same action as the vz-24 with the same level of high quality machining. Look over the rifle well before buying as all of these rifles are coming from Turkey. They manufactured there own rifles and replacement parts. I would make sure for I rife that I would be building on would have a Cesk made bolt as well

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BTW, I think most standard length Mauser magazines will hold a 30-06 (bullet seating depth within reason), and most 270 rounds. Lengthening, if required, is little more than flat filing the back and/or front of the magazine. I now think that the best use for a Mauser is for 30-06 head-sized rounds -- you will lose 1 round of mag capacity, I think (3 + 1). At least I did on my '09 Arg 270, and saw the same thing with '08 Brazilian & VZ-24 magazines. Not having to do receiver, bolt face, and extensive mag modifications makes the price much more reasonable.

Have fun tinkering.
Todd

They had Turks advertised for $45, but had sold out. Got a rain check. Last one of those cost me a lot of work, cleaning up the machine tool marks. Even so, it's tempting: $45, plus some clean up, plus $40 to get it reamed to 8mm 06, and you've got a butt-ugly but highly effective elk buster. If it turns out to be reasonbly accurate, it might be worth the expense of fixing the cosmetics and getting a scope mounted.

So... thanks guys, for the input. It was a fun morning. BTW, a 3.3"" cartridge will just barely fit the 98/22 cartridge box.

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Originally posted by 8mman:
Bearclaw,
Mausers were made FOR other countrys to their specifications by the mauser company in Germany. Some mausers were rearseniled in other country's but they are all German made.

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No way, Mauser's were built in many countries, Austria, Belgium, Czech, China, Spain, Mexico, and other's.

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Originally posted by 333-OKH:
8mman;
Are you suggesting that the Turkish and Chinese and Siamese and Iranian and Swedish mausers were made by the Germans?

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Turkey was probably Mauserwerks biggest customer. Their original contract started in 1891, and ran into the 1930's. Although many (most?) were reworked over the years in their own arsenals. As for China, who knows? Probably peasants in a blacksmith shop. Siamese were made, at least in part by Japan, although if memory serves, some were made by Mauser. Iranians were made by Mauser. Some Swedes (the initial order) were made by Mauser, the rest by Sweden.
During WWII, production (on the 98's) was started in Brno, Ck., and I believe continues there to this day. I don't believe Mauserwerk actually made any new 98's after WWII, but undoubtably some were assembled from parts on hand. Could be wrong on that, it's been a while since I read the history...

Todd

Turkey 8 models, 5 German, 1 CZ, 2 Turkey.

Siam 4 models, 2 German, 2 Japan.

Sweden 3 models, 1 German, 1 Sweden, 1 both.

Iran 6 models, 1 German, 1 FN, 3 CZ, 1 Iran.

The Germans produced 42% of the rifle modells used these contries.
This info was collected from Ball's "Mausers Millitary Rifles of the World" 2nd ed.

Ray

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Originally posted by 8mman:
Bearclaw,
Mausers were made FOR other countrys to their specifications by the mauser company in Germany. Some mausers were rearseniled in other country's but they are all German made.

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8mman;
Time to put down the WEED and PICK UP A BOOK!

Thanks - Jeff P

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Originally posted by Pfeifer:
m1carbine,
How can I tell if any of the Siam actions that I have are german? I have one apparently early Siamese action that has no extended tang which is kinda cool. I too am admittedly book poor on the subject of Mausers...but not for too much longer :-)

Thanks - Jeff P

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The German made Siam mausers were the modell 71 and 04. The modell 04 was a standard export modell in 7x57. The 8x50 caliber rifles were all produced in Japan. These are the actions that people use for 45-70 rifles. So if you have the clasic Siam action for the rimmed 8x50 then you have a Japanese made rifle.
Ray

Also, the stock bottom metal couldn't be better if I had designed it myself. The box can be lengthened along with the action to safely provide room for catridges based on 2.85 inch cases and an OAL of 3.70. I have done this on a standard Gew 98 for a 458 Lott.

Have fun with your projects

-Catter

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I've got a 308 built on a 1916 Obrendorf with an interarms bbl wed to it, timney hunting trigger, Fajen extra fancy stock w/ cartridge trap (caught for $111 when they went out of business) and a 3-9x tasco scope (yeah it was a real part gun).

before it was even bedded it was shooting sub 1" groups. haven't shot it in a while because I haven't finished the refinishing job on the stock (plus the but pad needs to sanded down and i'm minus a belt sander).

i'd say $275 isn't bad i've seen them go pretty high on the price out here on the east coast.

there's my $.02

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