Does anyone chamber for this wildcat ? I was loooking to rebarrel a M700 short action.I don't want a 260 Rem. I think this would be a perfect whitetail rifle.Thanks for any help you can provide.

Its been around for awhile and is comparable to the 25-06 as has the 270-08...I would prefer a 308 myself...30 cal. leaves better blood trails to my mind...and shoots as flat for all practical hunting purposes..I have a great respect for the .308 as a killer...and factory ammo is available at any back country store...

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
atkinsonhunting.com

I have hunted with many caliber's, 243 .308, 30-06, 270 win, 8x57, 7mm mag, and I must say the .308 is the only caliber that has never, ever, not one single time for me, dropped any animal of any size in it's tracks!! Why, I don't know? It just hasn't been lucky for me!

A guy at work swears by the 243. You know the spiel. It is the most devastating dear gun out there; it is the best dear caliber there is, ECT:
Then in the next breath badmouths the 308. Claims that it is the only caliber that he has ever lost a dear with. I told him that if that is true either he is a lousy shot or used a lousy bullet. I would much rather use a 308 verse a 243 any day.

Every shot I ever made with the .308 was perfect placement, the bullet did awesome damage, yet all the deer, and wild boar ran 100 to 200 yds! Never has this happened to me with any other caliber, my 7mm Rem has been the most awesome on deer, every one has been killed like lightning! My .270's have been almost as good on deer, only one deer has ever traveled a step after being hit with a .270, and it was a running 8point I put a lung shot on at 80yds with my Mark X Mannlicher stocked rife 20" barrel Federal premium 130gr Sierra.

Rob,

I've built and shot 2 of these in the "improved" configuration. Ackley called these the .25 Souper and the Souper Improved. I rate it just a bit above the .250 Savage Improved. Accuracy was high and recoil was minimal and of course bullet selection is important to your intended use. I've got some of Clint Starke's 96.5 grain Match bullets that shoot really good! I set one rifle up with a 14 twist and the other with a 10 twist. These two came hot on the heels of working with the .257 and .258 Condors for a short period of time.

Bill

I had a nice 257 Roberts built on a KAR98a small ring, with a Douglas XX airguaged barrel 22" in an old Herters stock. The only reason i built a 257 was, about 9 yrs ago I was in the sporting goods section at a Wal-Mart, and they had Win 117gr +P .257 for $2 a box!!! I said how many boxes do you have? They guy counted 50. I said, I'll take them all! So then I had to have a .257 Roberts built. Really sweet gun, shoots 3/4" with the Win ammo, and 1/2 with some 100gr handloads I tried, have'nt really worked up a proper load, cause I still have alot of Win 117's left.

Same story with my 28 gauge double. Went into Walmart in Midland, Texas and found Remington high brass 7 1/2's priced at $2.99/box. I bought two cases but had no gun. Searched and found a 28 gauge Citori that I swapped a .45 Auto that I built for. Shot it a bit, didn't like it and swapped it for a Bernadelli SxS double. Now I'm in love, never would have happened without Walmart...

Ed, my brother, and my father live in Midland.

Bill,

For those of us not familiar with the Condors could you tell us what brass they're based on or are we talking bullet brands here?

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Herb,

These are two distinctly different cartridges designed by Dr. Ramon Somovia.
The .257 Condor is the 7x61 Sharpe & Hart case necked down to 25 caliber and fireformed. The barrels had twist rates of 1:7 for shooting 160 grain bullets.
The .258 Condor was the basic .300 Ackley or Weatherby brass necked down to 25 caliber. Twist rate was also 1:7 for the 160 grain bullets.
The A&M Rifle Company that was located here in Prescott did a lot of the development and ultimately made most of the barrels. The gentlemen that made up A&M were Atkinson and Marquart. Mr. Atkinson is a senior design engineer for Ruger now and Mr. Marquart has passed on to a better place.
The one that I haven't had time to work on yet is the .378 WBY shortened and necked down to 25 caliber. The barrel is done but...
Ackley's books list some of the Dr.'s loads.
Bill

I have a similar cartridge I call the 257DGR, you can check it out at www.duanesguns.com You will enjoy a cartridge of the size, excellent for deer, antelope, coyotes etc. Don't worry about a blood trail, everything will drop where you shoot it!!

Rob:
I shoot a 25-308AI and I really like it. I can get 2950 fps with 120g bullets (24" bbl). Ray Montgomery of Grand Junction rechambered mine (was a 250 sav).....LR

LReynolds, is that Grand Junction, CO or TX

This is more or less how my 6mm-284 came about; rifle shop had a set of dies for $20. He made up his money on 200 unprimed cases, all from the same manufacturing lot.

Tom

Rob1SG: Ray Montgomery in Grand Junction, Colorado, Phone: 970-434-6162

You saved enough money on those 50 boxes of 117 grain .257s to buy a good quality .257 barrel for your gun.