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1903 turkish M-98 / high charger hump
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I was poking around a gun shop the other day and bumped into a 1903 Turk M-98 with a very high charger hump. I thought it was a peruvian.
The guy in the shop assured me it was a turk.
It's got the star and cresant. It looked to be in good shape for a doner. It is a large ring receiver, until I pull it apart I can only assume it is large ring barrel thread.

I remember a Peruvian by Burgess with the high hump. It has a cool look.

I like the odd stuff, so I bought it.

It might make an interesting 404 Jeffery with the high hump left on it. Just bouncing some ideas around for it.
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Burgess Peruvian, now in the hands of ForrestB. I like the looks of the high hump.





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A Peruvian that Duane Wiebe did where we left the charger hump in place.

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It is a large ring receiver, until I pull it apart I can only assume it is large ring barrel thread.


Timan, the 1903 Turk has small ring barrel threads. At least every one I took apart did.

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Yeah,

I like em better with the hump in place.





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I like em better with the hump in place.


I cry every time I read an ad for an action that states that the charger hump has been ground.


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I like em better with the hump in place.


I cry every time I read an ad for an action that states that the charger hump has been ground.


I don't but, in this case, the high hump is unique enough to warrant keeping.

For many folks, once their eyes get to a certain point, a scope is darn near mandatory.

What makes me cry is buggered scope base holes. For some reason, they are drawn to the nicer actions. I really hate seeing a nice Banner action that has not only been drilled, but been drilled on the face of the lug seat. That hurts!




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For many folks, once their eyes get to a certain point, a scope is darn near mandatory.


Even with a scope I like to see the charger hump retained. It is a little more work to fit the bases, but mausers just don't look right without the hump.

Clearly many people disagree. I just wish I they would give me their ground off charger humps so that I could put them on my FNs.
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Even with a scope I like to see the charger hump retained. It is a little more work to fit the bases, but mausers just don't look right without the hump.


I agree 100%. With the charger hump removed, a rear base looks very towering. With it left on, the same base has a bit more transition that makes them look shorter - to me at least.


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From what I gather here the 03 Turk is worth having.
After clean up the turk and the peruvian become equal. Yes or no, There is one cut differant.
At the back of the front ring. It seems they went a bit hog wild with that cut.
Weld in and reheat treat, or no.
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At the back of the front ring. It seems they went a bit hog wild with that cut


I kinda like the notch. It tells a little bit about the history of the gun when the Turks changed it over from 7.65x53 Belgian to 8x57.
YMMV.

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Personally I hate the charger hump, to each his own I guess.
 
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Personally I hate the charger hump, to each his own I guess.


Your are far from alone in hating the charge hump. The vast majority agree with you. But, as with so many things, the majority is dead wrong.
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Burgess Peruvian, now in the hands of ForrestB.


How come Forrest ALWAYS ends up with the great toys!


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Burgess Peruvian, now in the hands of ForrestB.


How come Forrest ALWAYS ends up with the great toys!


We've all seen your collection of fine rifles, so we can't feel too bad for you.
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Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
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From what I gather here the 03 Turk is worth having.
After clean up the turk and the peruvian become equal. Yes or no, There is one cut differant.
At the back of the front ring. It seems they went a bit hog wild with that cut.
Weld in and reheat treat, or no.
Timan


are you referring to the threading relief cut behind the receiver threads and before the lugs?

if so, from what I have seen here on AR from you, it would seem to be no harder for you to cut it to large ring threads than it would be to weld and reheat. since it is a LR OD, it would mske sense to me to go with the LR threads.
 
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No, he's talking about the notch at the top of the back of the front ring, so that the longer 8x57 could still be loaded using stripper clips.




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That's right mike.
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On the top of the charger there is a V notch sight.
The bore looks good on this one only slight darkness.
8x57
It's a shooter as is.
I would be kinda fun to take hunting and reblood it.



 
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That's right mike.
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On the top of the charger there is a V notch sight.
The bore looks good on this one only slight darkness.
8x57
It's a shooter as is.
I would be kinda fun to take hunting and reblood it.


Someone decided to make the charger a rear sight. Hmm.

I've toyed with the idea of adding a peep in the stripper slot.

I started to make on into a .338 Federal, open sights of course. But, the barrel I received was bad. Never had the time to finish it. This time around I think I might go with the 9.3x57.




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Just my opinion, but...

For a scoped rifle remove the hump.

For an open sighted rifle, leave it on.

Form follows function. If the top is left open I would want it to be ready and able to load from a stripper clip even if I never did it that way. Once D&Ted for a scope the reason for having it there is kind of moot.

That said, I certainly don't object to leaving it on a scoped rifle. As the photos of Duane Weibe's build attest, it can still look unobjectionable, and indeed very nice on a scoped rifle when done well.
 
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Someone decided to make the charger a rear sight. Hmm.

I've toyed with the idea of adding a peep in the stripper slot.



I went "hmmmmm", too.

Interesting.
 
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